作者 ReDive (怜命)
標題 [轉錄] 郭台銘的金門和平宣言
時間 Sat May 13 15:12:44 2023



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金門和平宣言
郭台銘 05/13/2023

台灣有2,300萬人,誰最了解戰爭的可怕?誰最渴望和平?不是台銘, 不是任何過去三十
年在台灣的中華民國總統,而是金門人。

從1949年開始,八二三砲戰、單打雙不打金門人用你們的犧牲、英勇、痛苦、失去一
條腿、甚至失去至親,你們捍衛了中華民國,你們站在第一線承受。

你們是全台灣人民過去得以安居樂業、國泰民安、經濟增長、科技發展的恩人。台灣
本島的人不能也不可以遺忘了你們,因為你們,中華民國、台灣才有今天的和平。我在此
向所有過去七十年,你們偉大的付出奉獻和甘苦,表達深深的歉意和致意。沒有金門,沒
有台灣,沒有中華民國。沒有馬祖,沒有台灣,沒有中華民國。


台銘此次參加代表國民黨初選徵召競選活動,提出的競選理念主軸是「和平」、「繁榮」
、「清廉」,而「和平」最重要,因為經濟繁榮、政府清廉能為人民帶來幸福,都必須建
立在兩岸穩固的「和平」基礎上。


執政的民進黨,從總統到主席到立委到主要幹部,天天強調地反覆質問:「現在誰對台灣
最有敵意?」、「誰天天派軍機、軍艦繞台,進行軍事演習?」、「誰讓台灣變成世界上
最危險最兵凶戰危之地?」、「誰讓世界上所有到台灣來投資與進行經濟活動的國際經貿
、科技等都受到影響?」


我郭台銘願意直接、明白的回答,現在對我們中華民國台、澎、金、馬地區,實施壓迫性
的軍機、軍艦繞台,採取最有敵意軍事作為,將台灣逼到戰爭危機邊上的,就是原本應該
「兩岸一家親」,應該「同為中國人」的中華人民共和國政府。不過除了這個表面看起來
如此明顯的答案底下,更應該同時問的是:「為什麼大陸這段時間對我們有那麼深的敵意
?」


「為什麼甚至連蔡英文總統主政的第一個四年,都沒有這種不斷軍演、軍機軍艦不斷繞台
施加壓力的做法?」

也就是要反思追問:「這些做法究竟是針對誰來的?又是誰造成的?」那麼我郭台銘也願
意直接、明白地回答:「這不是針對台灣人民而來的,而是針對目前執政的民進黨種種挑
釁言行而來的。民進黨持續否定過去兩岸可以和平、可以談判的共識,不斷破壞兩岸可以
友善互動的管道,不斷偏離「一中各表」的「九二共識」,造成了今天的危機。」


「九二共識」包括「一中」和「各表」,兩部分同等重要。「一中」指的是中華民國憲法
的「一中」,也是中華人民共和國憲法的「一中」,也是國際各種公報上所確認的「一中
」,甚至也是美國「台灣關係法」都必須承認的「一中」。那麼多文件上都規範「一中」
,而大家對「一中」會有不同說法,這就是「一中各表」,這就是「共識」,不只是兩岸
間的共識,也是歷史所塑造出來,到現在沒有改變的國際共識。


在兩岸間, 「九二共識」具備有高度的未來性,表示雙方同意對於「一中」的定義與長
遠中國前途有所分歧;在這個前提下而展開具體的現實做法,那就是雙方互相同意:「只
進行事務性商談,在事務性協商中可以不涉及一個中國的政治意涵。」


這很清楚,我們已經有了第一步的談判基礎,可以持續談判,實際上從1992年以來,也維
持談判了三十幾年。但是為什麼不談了?反而要倒退到兵戎相見?

很遺憾的,那就是因為民進黨執政當局的「一中各表」進行了偷樑換柱,故意代換成「兩
個中國」、「一中一台」、 「一邊一國」等說法,並在創造流傳這些說法過程中,進行
仇恨動員,製造族群對立,撕裂台灣。


這是內外兩面的政治操弄,逐步將共識改為分歧,再將分歧催化為對立。今天民進黨感受
到台灣人民對戰爭的高度焦慮,為了拉攏中間選民選票而改口說「和平保台」、說「抗共
產黨不抗中國人」,但實質上持續操弄議題挑釁中國,徹底阻斷台灣人民和中國大陸人民
的互動交流,請問要如何讓中國大陸人民,甚至國際社會相信,這只是要對抗共產黨,沒
有要仇視、敵對中國呢?


我主張要在 「一中各表」的原則基礎上,站穩中華民國的立場和大陸重新展開談判。我
選的是中華民國總統,我代表的是中華民國,這裡就沒有台灣獨立的問題。沒有了台獨因
素,共機就不該再擾台;共機不再擾台,兩岸就可以坐下來談,對於「各表」部分要談多
久都可以。


雙方原本就同意進行最廣泛的事務性協商,如果我當選總統,就會根據「憲法一中」,開
啟大談判,而且什麼別的地方都不去,我會極力主張就以金門為兩岸新的常設談判地點,
以金門為新起點。


我會組成跨黨派、 跨族群、跨世代的談判團隊,重新開啟兩岸和平前景的談判大門。
談判以堅守台灣民主、自由、法治,尊重2,300萬人既有生活方式為前提,不拘任何形式
,抱持最大耐心,可以從一點一滴開始談,認認真真地重新探索雙方認同的程序與原則。

我們要讓全世界看到:台灣有能力在科技和經濟上做到世界一流水準,在和平談判上,我
們也一定能夠達到最高等級,有理有節,有為有守。在金門,中華民國與中華人民共和國
誠意地直接談判,不需要任何其他外國勢力介入。需要談多久就談多久,在還沒談成之前
,互相尊重,恢復雙方正常民間交流。


耐心、長期的談判中,當然還是要維護台灣國防安全,還是要有戰備完善護台的軍事部署
,需要有尖端先進武器的研發、引進,但重點是加強國防絕不意味著戰爭。我們的子弟當
兵是為了守衛和平與民主自由的崇高價值,不是充當政客錯誤政策的砲灰。


如果當選總統,我會立即在金門設立《八二三砲戰永久紀念歷史園區》警鐘長鳴,戒慎戰
爭。然後積極設立兩岸談判的常設處所,邀請對岸代表前來見面討論,我們不需要到任何
其他地方去,也不需要任何外國個人、團體、組織居中穿梭傳話。


我的使命是維護兩岸正常的和平交流,在和平基礎上創造台灣的繁榮幸福。

今天我來到金門,遙想當年,台銘從軍,駐守金門,枕戈待旦。正逢砲戰之際,身臨「單
打雙不打」的威懾之下。

幾十年過去了,台銘經常被夢中隆隆的砲聲驚醒。作為一個過來人,一個當事人,台銘今
日在此感慨萬千。

面對金門的父老鄉親,面對台灣2,300萬國民,面對中國大陸的14億同胞。我堅定地喊出
:我們要和平,不要戰爭,我們要發展,不要衝突。要恢復過去的文化、經濟、青年人等
的交流。


台灣要跳出兩黨鬥爭,台灣要走出歷史的陰霾。要有尊嚴的爭取和平,維護自由民主的體
制,要做全世界的經濟和平島的中華民國。

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Kinmen Peace Declaration
Terry Gou 5/13/2023

Taiwan has 23 million people.  Who in Taiwan truly understands the horrors of
war?  Who wants the peace most? Not Terry, nor any of the Presidents of the
Republic of China in Taiwan for the last thirty years. They are the people of
Kinmen.

From 1949 on, and then the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis, with incessant
bombardment to the shelling on odd days and rest on even days…  The people of
 Kinmen have suffered and sacrificed, some with their limbs, some even with
losses of family members. With courage and with pain, all of you have been
standing on the front line to bear the blunt and brutality of war to defend
Republic of China.  The people of Kinmen, you are Taiwan’s saviors and our
protectors.  You are the only reason why all of us in Taiwan can live in peace
 and prosperity with economic growth and technology development!

The people of Taiwan cannot and should not forsake you and forget about your
sacrifices.  Because of you, the people of Kinmen, Republic of China can enjoy
 today’s peace.

I want to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt apologies and to pay
my highest tribute to your sacrifices, your sorrows and your pains in the last
 seven decades.

If there is no Kinmen, there will be NO Taiwan, NO Republic of China!  If
there is no Matsu, there will be NO Taiwan, NO Republic of China!

Now I am running for the KMT Party nomination for the Presidential election.
My campaign themes are “Peace”, “Prosperity” and “Integrity”.  Among
them, peace is most important.  Prosperity with a government of integrity can
bring happiness to the people, but that must be built on a solid foundation of
 sustainable “peace” across the Strait.

The leaders of DPP, the incumbent party, including the President, the Party
chairman, its legislators and their party elites tend to play with provocative
 questions such as: “Who is most hostile to Taiwan?”; “Who is sending
fighter jets and gunboats encircling Taiwan with frequent military exercises?
”; “Who has turned Taiwan into the most dangerous powder keg of the world?”
; and “Who has turned away foreign investors, or hampered international
business activities or high technology engagements?”

I want to address these questions directly and clearly. It is true that the
hostile force threatening our daily peace in the territory of Republic of
China from Taiwan to Penghu, to Kinmen to Matsu with encircling fighter jets
and gunboats pressing Taiwan into the edge of war is “our family across the
strait” and the “same Chinese people” of the government of the People’s
Republic of China.

This seems to be the obvious answer.  However, besides the obvious, we have to
 ask the following: “Why has China been so hostile to us lately?”  “Even in
 the first four years of Tsai’s administration, why were there no constant
military exercises with fighter jets and gunboats threatening Taiwan?”  We
must ask, “why are they doing these at this point in time?  What are they
targeting?  Who has instigated this?”

Let me answer this directly and clearly.  These threats are NOT meant for the
people of Taiwan.  They are the direct reactions to the continuous
provocations in words and actions of DPP.

DPP has consistently denied all basic understandings across the strait for
peace and for negotiation; DPP has breached and broken all channels of
communications; DPP is getting farther and farther away from the common ground
 of “one China with Respective Interpretations” in the “1992 Consensus”.
The incumbent party has created the crisis of today and has pushed Taiwan to
the brink of war.

“1992 Consensus” includes two important components of “One China” and “
Respective Interpretations”.  “One China” refers to the “One China” in
the constitution of Republic of China.  “One China” also refers to the “One
 China” in the constitution of the People’s Republic of China.  Even the “
Taiwan Relations Act” of the US also recognizes “One China”.  Even though
numerous documents and declarations refer to “One China”, different parties
will have their respective interpretations of “One China”.  This is the
essence of “One China with Respective Interpretations”, a muddled “common
consensus” to give peace a chance.  This common consensus is not only a
fuddled understanding across the strait but is a direct byproduct of history.
 This “One China with Respective Interpretations” has been a recognized
common consensus within the global community.

Across the strait, “1992 Consensus” has the element of futuristic
characteristics. This implies that both sides recognize the differences in
interpreting “One China” and differences in the long-term future of China.
While respecting the differences, both sides agreed to move forward
realistically and pragmatically on “business and administrative negotiations
without a political consensus on “One China””.

It is very clear that we had taken the initial step for negotiation.  We
should have continued to negotiate.  As a matter of fact, we had been
negotiating for more than twenty years since 1992.  What happened?  Why didn’
t we continue to negotiate?  Instead, we are confronting each other to the
point of war.  Regrettably, the DPP replaced the common consensus of “One
China with Respective Interpretations” with their own concepts of “Two China
”, “One China One Taiwan”, and “One Country on Each Side”.  In the
process to create and promote these new concepts, DPP succeeded in promoting
hatred in Taiwan and creating opposition among ethnic groups to result in a
divisive Taiwan.

This is political manipulation to gradually change consensus to differences,
and to twist the differences into conflicts.  Currently, DPP feels that the
people of Taiwan are under extreme anxiety of the pressing war.  To align with
 the swing voters, DPP changes their tune to “peace while protecting Taiwan”
 and “oppose CCP, but not Chinese people”.  In reality, DPP still insists on
 irking China both in words and in deeds.  The incumbent party has effectively
 shut down all channels for the people of both sides to interact and to
communicate.  How can the people of China and the international community
believe that their actions are only against the CCP and these actions are not
meant with hostility and enmity against the people of China?

My proposal is to use “One China with Respective Interpretations” as a
foundation of principle on which we stand the ground of Republic of China to
begin an earnest process of negotiations with mainland China.  I am running
for the President of Republic of China.  I stand to represent Republic of
China.  There is no issue of Taiwan independence.  Without the provocation of
Taiwan independence, the fighter jets and the gunboats from across the strait
should stay away from threatening Taiwan.  As long as the fighter jets and
gunboats are away, both sides can sit down to talk.  We can take our time to
work out the “Respective Interpretations of One China”. Both sides had
originally agreed to work on a set of comprehensive administrative and
business-related issues.  If I am elected president, I will use the “One
China” definition from our constitution to begin a new round of grand
negotiations.  There is no better place to begin this negotiation than Kinmen.


I will assemble a team of cross-party, cross-ethnic groups and cross-
generations to reopen and restart the peace negotiation from both sides.  The
negotiation will be based on the principle of preserving Taiwan’s democracy,
freedom, rule of law and the respect towards the way of life of Taiwan’s 23
million citizens.  We will use the utmost patience and whatever means to
facilitate the negotiation.  We will negotiate in earnest to explore the
common grounds of processes and principles and go from there.

We want to show to the world the new Taiwan.  Taiwan has the ability and the
capability to be a world class leader in technology and in economic
development.  On the table of peace negotiation, we can show to the world that
 we are equally capable to negotiate rationally and with restrain and
aspiration while maintaining our own integrity.

Here in Kinmen, Republic of China and the People’s Republic of China will
begin an earnest round of negotiations for peace without foreign intervention.
  We will take however long to come up with a solution amendable to both sides
.  We are prepared for that for the sake of peace across the strait.  We are
equally prepared to reopen and to continue our regular communications and
interactions with mutual respect even when we have not reached a final
solution.

With patience and long-term and consistent negotiations, we still have to be
ready for the national security of Taiwan with the complete military
preparedness to protect Taiwan, including the research and development and the
 procurement of top end armament.  Strengthening the defense of Taiwan does
not mean we are seeking for war or waiting for war to break open or provoking
the wars to come.

Our soldiers are our brothers and sons.  They are serving the country to
uphold the highest value of peace and democratic freedom.  They are not meant
to be the disposable assets to sacrifice their lives for the wrong policies of
 the politicians.

If I am elected president, I will immediately set up a permanent historical
park to house the “August 23rd Artillery Battle Museum” with the tolling
bell ringing to be vigilant and prudent about the inflictions of war.  I will
also set up a permanent place for both sides to convene to negotiate.  We do
not need to go anywhere else to negotiate for peace; we do not need any
foreigners or international groups or organizations to mediate.  My mission is
 to maintain the regular interactions across the strait, and to promote Taiwan
’s prosperity on the basis of sustainable peace.

I am here today in Kinmen.  Some fifty years ago, I was serving in the
military not far from where we stand today.  Looking back, I still remember
there were many nights when we were waiting for the dawn to break with full
battle readiness.  Those were the days of bombardment with odd and even days.
 More than fifty years have passed.  I am still wakened up in the middle of
the night by the roaring and deafening sounds of cannon ball explosions.  I
have been part of the history and luckily walked out in one piece.  I feel
humbled being here with lots of thoughts and reflections.

Facing the elders and fellows of Kinmen and 23 million people of Taiwan and
also 1.4 billion Chinese in mainland China, I solemnly declare:  we want peace
; we do not want war; we want economic development; we do not want military
confrontations; we want to resume the cultural, the economic and the young-
generation interactions as they were in the past.  Taiwan must extract herself
 from the infighting between parties, and the infighting across the strait.
Taiwan must come out from the cloud of uncertainty in the river of history.

Republic of China must go forward with dignity to seek for peace, to maintain
the freedom and democratic system of Taiwan, in order to realize the vision of
 being a global economic and technology driver in the years to come.

4.附註、心得、想法︰
我從沒看過這種中英文雙語的大長篇臉書
我剛才才說郭董沒說支持九二共識,結果後來的報導及這篇臉書直接打了我的臉
打臉是無所謂,但拉出和侯的區隔性才是重點
朱立倫的決定真的越來越困難了
早知道就辦初選,嘻嘻


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※ 作者: ReDive 2023-05-13 15:12:44
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※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 15:16:08
LeeSeDol: 「中華人民共和國政府」
誰教郭董用這個詞彙的?1F 1.200.138.0 台灣 05/13 15:13
其實老馬去中國時就有講過了,郭算是目前唯一跟上老馬的人

kterry01: 哪裡困難?不怕輸就提郭阿?洪秀柱2.03F 61.231.188.238 台灣 05/13 15:14
e12518166339: 馬英九表示:4F 114.25.87.211 台灣 05/13 15:15
stoke4096: 又來一個民進黨挑釁了,滾啦5F 1.160.229.55 台灣 05/13 15:15
ppkkll: 還有英文版,是特地寫給美國人看的嗎?叫他們別插手兩岸談判?!6F 42.77.165.160 台灣 05/13 15:18
英文版當然是針對外國人

CHENXOX:  https://i.imgur.com/bvSXcOk.jpg8F 118.168.199.238 台灣 05/13 15:18
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ReDive: 樓上這不是我做的圖嗎?笑死9F 180.176.234.155 台灣 05/13 15:18
arumi416: CNN曾列舉跳票史 郭台銘甩鍋不回應10F 138.64.68.109 日本 05/13 15:20
CHENXOX:  https://i.imgur.com/8LksfDp.jpg
狗冥黨a集齊價 逃喀洨攏哋賽  嗚告歡顛11F 118.168.199.238 台灣 05/13 15:20
[圖]
你真的有夠可憐,你知道前不久才有一個到處洗無意義文章的人被桶嗎?
我認為你也符合喔

art1: 不是越來越簡單嗎?XDDDDDDDDDDDDD14F 218.173.39.29 台灣 05/13 15:21
看朱怎麼想了,呵呵

dakkk: 看來要崔韓粉票15F 101.136.84.40 台灣 05/13 15:21
netboy789: 沒中華民國的年代,台灣也好好的阿16F 203.163.207.249 台灣 05/13 15:22
中華民國若沒來台灣,現在你就是在習主席萬歲囉

dslite: 欸 現在是2012嗎?17F 36.227.149.97 台灣 05/13 15:22
arumi416: 這個人講的話不能信,支票一直開,結果跳票史被CNN整理起來直接打臉18F 138.64.68.109 日本 05/13 15:22
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 15:27:30
RachelMcAdam: 狂到八卦板沒人要洗這篇文 笑死20F 61.58.141.38 台灣 05/13 15:24
八卦現在就是72板啊

vicklin: 理工人文盲..
歷史可不是可以隨人擺弄的物件啊21F 1.171.230.14 台灣 05/13 15:24
vul3wl6: 還我柱柱姊 跟這種沒有太大差別吧23F 36.231.197.181 台灣 05/13 15:25
vicklin: 而且敵軍擾台也不是只針對台灣
更是從馬英九年代就開始了
所以郭這種想法是根本的戰略自殺24F 1.171.230.14 台灣 05/13 15:25
windyroad: 老k全是這種賣台爛貨27F 111.80.183.140 台灣 05/13 15:26
若要我來說,現在的DPP才是賣台爛貨喔
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 15:29:51
jid: 罵兩黨惡鬥 然後自己要爭惡鬥黨的總統門票...28F 70.64.36.119 加拿大 05/13 15:31
swatseal: 笑死,男版柱柱姐29F 111.249.143.93 台灣 05/13 15:34
郭沒有說要統一吧?

hank28: 賴清德那麼穩 某群人看戲就好啦@@
管他國民黨派誰出來選 賴就是很穩阿30F 182.233.228.171 台灣 05/13 15:34
mynumber55: 前面說操弄兩個中國,後面又中華,幹,這腦子32F 42.72.163.197 台灣 05/13 15:34
meredith001: 藍白賤畜:賴清德憑什麼躺著選34F 114.137.204.150 台灣 05/13 15:35
mynumber55: 自己文章現場打臉,選什麼35F 42.72.163.197 台灣 05/13 15:36
swatseal: 沒有美國你們連台灣都來不了,早死在文革啦,還不要外國介入36F 111.249.143.93 台灣 05/13 15:36
中華民國如果沒來台灣,你現在就在習主席萬歲了

windyyw: 說的真好,支持郭38F 163.123.192.54 美國 05/13 15:36
lunRUSSELL: https://i.imgur.com/qMSh8U1.jpg39F 1.173.212.79 台灣 05/13 15:37
[圖]
semievil: 他媽的屁話真長40F 101.136.110.37 台灣 05/13 15:39
jung7458:    妥妥的紅統41F 49.215.9.124 台灣 05/13 15:41
綠一樣是統
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 15:45:11
sinon0123: 823是誰打過來的42F 27.242.0.83 台灣 05/13 15:47
AkatsukiStar: 很國民黨的自以為是的思維
台澎金馬是中國戰敗被割讓給日本43F 219.68.70.65 台灣 05/13 15:50
cooldogy1973: 清國和中共沒關係45F 223.137.247.252 台灣 05/13 15:52
AkatsukiStar: 從頭到尾都是被拋棄46F 219.68.70.65 台灣 05/13 15:52
cooldogy1973: 繼承5清國權利的是中華民國不是中共國47F 223.137.247.252 台灣 05/13 15:52

=======這就是低端綠民的水準========
dlmgn: 藍白糞~藍白糞~大便裹粉藍白糞~49F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 15:55
=======這就是低端綠民的水準========

AkatsukiStar: 被敗的一蹋糊塗國民黨佔領,台還得歡喜佔領者來這裡50F 219.68.70.65 台灣 05/13 15:55

=======這就是低端綠民的水準========
dlmgn: 藍白糞~裹粉氣炸吃的糞~
藍白糞~藍白糞~吃得開心的藍白糞~
藍白糞~自己吃不夠的糞~
香香濃濃營養多多~今天沒人幫 一個人吃糞
藍白糞~藍白糞~裹粉油炸藍白糞
藍白糞~金黃酥脆的糞~52F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 15:56
=======這就是低端綠民的水準========

jung7458: 綠一樣是統?人家沒那麼下賤用跪的59F 49.215.9.124 台灣 05/13 16:00
對,綠只是直接投降,讓美國把台灣的矽盾直接拆去美國
直接降低台灣對美國及對世界的重要性而已
真的是太愛台灣了

=======這就是低端綠民的水準========
dlmgn: 今天的主菜是……裹粉氣炸藍白糞!60F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 16:00
=======這就是低端綠民的水準========

cooldogy1973: 還好本來就沒支持他
本來就是侯出線郭本來就小丑61F 223.137.247.252 台灣 05/13 16:03
keltt: 你郭台銘如果能讓習近平親口說出一中可以「各表」,那才證明你阿銘真有本事!63F 220.129.39.200 台灣 05/13 16:05
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 16:15:07
CHENXOX: 92共識這道菜 開飯啦 藍粉絲先吃  綠粉絲泥悶沒得吃  因為泥悶不配當中国人
2戰窩被被打到歪7扭8要死不活時 泥悶在幹嘛  現在還想吃同1鍋菜65F 118.168.199.238 台灣 05/13 16:14
可憐只會跳針

win8719: 哪個矽盾喔是再說半導體整體共應鏈喔
還有就是台積電一早就有美國廠喔~還有中國廠喔
更不要說美國廠才占幾%...
矽盾這一名詞是指全部半導體共應鏈
而不是單單一廠家
然後2016年台積電就先去中國設廠了
所以你的降低全世界重要性怎來的?69F 114.44.78.77 台灣 05/13 16:20
1.台積電中國廠沒有先進製程,只有成熟製程

2.張忠謀有出來說過,台積電之前的美國廠就是美國廠做不起來的證明
https://i.imgur.com/u55Jfzf.png
[圖]

3.台積電去了之後,其他供應鏈就不會去嗎?

4.美國廠佔幾趴先進製程你真的知道嗎?

這張圖是台積電在台灣的先進製程產能 15萬片/月
https://i.imgur.com/R6DCsAj.png
[圖]

這張圖是台積電在美國的先進製程產能 60萬片/年 = 5萬片/月
https://i.imgur.com/XPlExvX.png
[圖]

你要不要幫我算算看美國廠佔了幾趴啊?

所以台積電之於美國及世界的重要性是不是在下降?

所以蔡英文DPP綠民是不是叛國賣台仔呢?

你們心裡真的有台灣嗎?

dlmgn: 今天的主菜不是BNT
今天的主菜是……裹粉氣炸藍白糞!
洗了這麼久bnt白忙一場的感覺,爽ㄇ?77F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 16:28
很怕被桶不能洗噓厚?笑死我,有夠可憐

jung7458: 留言只會跳針wwwww
要跪要投降要搞內戰化 就是違背民意~~~80F 49.215.9.124 台灣 05/13 16:41
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 17:09:33
psynanako: 他把立場講清楚不錯 但我不支持他的想83F 49.217.134.236 台灣 05/13 17:07
dlmgn: 屎缺工作拿了錢不得不做才真的可憐啊
你可以繼續洗台積電啊嘻嘻,郭金門這齣後豬羊變色,搞不好民進黨順便連bnt都洗贏回來呢85F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 17:13
你要說我有拿錢的話,你要不要拿出證據來呢?崩潰的低端綠民
事實就是像你這種挺台積電去美國的人才是真正的綠統賣台叛國仔喔
笑死我
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 17:17:38
dlmgn: 你現在洗什麼通通都反效果嘻嘻
最可悲就是明明沒在反串結果做什麼都反串89F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 17:15
ReDive: 可悲的是你喔賣台仔91F 180.176.234.155 台灣 05/13 17:18
dlmgn: 剩我還陪你玩你要感激好嗎?可憐哪
我要是你啊因,我知道現在說什麼都反效果,所以我會閉嘴,我如果沒閉嘴那就是拿了錢不得不洗,當然也有可能我不是你,因為呵92F 42.79.185.127 台灣 05/13 17:18
你竟然會以為你在陪我玩?笑死我
你要說我拿錢就拿出證據,原來政黑是可以這樣子隨意抹黑的是不是?
千萬不要太崩潰好嗎?我這篇要變成X1就靠你了,加油喔

win8719: 201616奈米就是先進製程..
你要先確定先進製程得定義..
準確來水14奈米以下就是先進製程
然後最先進製程是2奈米2015產..
你到底怎會覺得重要性會下降..97F 114.44.78.77 台灣 05/13 17:23
1.2016年送審16奈米時對台積電本身來說我不會說他不算先進製程

但是否對世界來說也算是先進製程,你可以直接看圖
https://i.imgur.com/JZDAvbY.png
[圖]

2.同上圖,2奈米的量產是在2025,不是2015

3.魏哲家自己出來說,台積電會繼續於美國提供最先進製程量產

你要和我說2奈米不會去美國嗎? https://i.imgur.com/MjlfkP4.png
[圖]

4.重要性不是憑感覺,就是數字佔比,我數字都給你了,請問你要面對數字了嗎?
※ 編輯: ReDive (180.176.234.155 臺灣), 05/13/2023 17:40:09
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