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標題 [閒聊] Jesse訪談
時間 Fri Nov 21 14:23:55 2025


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6824...er/?source=user_shared_article Jesse Buss opens up on Lakers’ firing and feeling like he was treated as ‘an enemy’
Jesse Buss opens up on Lakers’ firing and feeling like he was treated as ‘an enemy’ - The Athletic The Lakers' part-owner and now-fired director of scouting discusses his final years with the franchise and his future. ...

 

洛杉磯湖人隊在週四早上解除部分持股人 Joey 和 Jesse Buss 在球隊籃球營運部門中的職務，聯盟消息人士告訴《The Athletic》。

Joey Buss 一直擔任湖人隊的替補代表（alternate governor 主席珍妮沒空的時候，代表湖人參與聯盟的老闆會議）、研發部副總裁，以及球隊 G League 附屬球隊南灣湖人的總管。

Jesse Buss 則是球隊的助理總經理兼球探部門總監。


在球隊透過 CFO Joe McCormack 立即解雇這對兄弟之後不久，《The Athletic》便與 Jesse Buss 對談這項決定、他在前台角色的弱化、一種未被公開的疾病帶來的影響——這種病讓他有時無法進體育館——以及他本人與球團未來的走向。
（編按：本訪談經過整理與編輯，以求內容清晰。）

You said the writing was on the wall when the team was sold this past summer. Why did you feel that way, like there would no longer be a place for you in the front office?
你說，當球隊在今年夏天被賣掉的時候，你就覺得木已成舟。為什麼你會覺得，以後在前台已經不會再有你的位置？

I think typically that’s how things go, and you know, whenever a franchise is sold, there’s a restructuring of the basketball operations department. Obviously, over the last two years, I’ve been dealing with quite a bit of health issues. I’m currently undergoing treatment for that. And I kind of noticed around the same time that things were different within our organization, within the front office and just the basketball operations department. I kind of felt siloed quite a bit, dating back to
before, I guess, the 2023 draft. And I kind of didn’t think much of it.
我覺得一般來說事情就是這樣發展的。你也知道，只要一支球隊被賣掉，籃球營運部門一定會進行重組。
很明顯，在過去兩年裡，我一直在處理不少健康問題。現在我也仍在接受治療。
然後我大概也是在那段時間開始注意到，我們球團內部、前台，甚至整個籃球營運部門的氛圍都不太一樣了。
從大概 2023 年選秀會之前開始，我就覺得自己被蠻明顯地孤立起來了。
但一開始我沒有太往心裡去。

But as time went on and there was a lack of communication between not only my sister and I, but the organization as a whole while I was combating various health issues, I kind of felt like the writing was on the wall. The sale of the team happening kind of more or less just solidified it in my mind. And I just more or less expected it. Obviously this is a job I’ve loved for a very long time. And I love this organization. I love the fans. I love the city of Los Angeles. It’s pretty much all I’ve known
my entire life.
但隨著時間過去，在我對抗各種健康問題的同時，不光是我和我姊姊之間，整個球團內部的溝通都越來越少，我就越來越覺得「牆上已經寫明白了」（木已成舟）。
球隊被出售這件事，多少只是把我心裡原本的想法給「蓋棺定論」而已。
所以我其實多半早就有心理準備了。

很顯然，這份工作是我非常非常長時間以來熱愛的。
我愛這支球隊、愛這個組織，也愛這些球迷，愛洛杉磯這座城市。
這幾乎就是我一生所熟悉的一切。

What’s been your favorite part of the job?
在這份工作裡，你最喜歡的部分是什麼？

I think it’s just a camaraderie you build between people that are in similar positions across the league, not only within our own organization, but scouts across the league that you see oftentimes when scouting games. I love to be able to see a player from, when they’re first drafted into the NBA, grow and become even better players. That part of the job was always very exciting, just seeing the natural development of these amazing talents. It was just a wonderful thing to watch.
我覺得，是你在整個聯盟裡跟各種擔任類似職位的人之間建立起來的那種「同袍感」。
不只是在我們自己的球團內部，還包括全聯盟其他球隊的球探們——在去看比賽、考察球員時常會碰到那些人。

我很喜歡看到一位球員從剛被 NBA 選進來開始，一路成長、變成更好的球員。這份工作裡的這個部分一直都讓我很興奮——看著這些驚人的天賦自然發展、逐步成形，這是件非常美好的事情。

How have you tried to stay involved despite not being able to travel and do what you’ve wanted to do?
在沒辦法出差、也不能像以前那樣做你想做的事時，你是怎麼努力維持自己的參與度的？


Yeah, I mean, luckily during COVID-(19) when we were pretty much unable to travel, we had to think of creative ways in order to stay engaged (for) the college season. The 2020-21 season progressed, and a lot of that was just done on film. So one of the silver linings of not traveling is I got to do additional film work, and just was able to stay up to date with my scouts in the day-to-day.

嗯，是這樣的。還好在 COVID-19 那段時間，我們基本上也都不能出差，我們那時候就必須想一些有創意的方式，來在大學賽季期間保持參與度。
隨著 2020-21 賽季進行，很多工作都是透過影片來完成的。
所以，不用旅行這件事的「一點點好處」是，我可以做更多的影片研究，也可以每天都跟我底下的球探保持最新進度。

And my staff, obviously, made it easy to do the job because of how passionate they were. I know at times over the last decade, I haven’t necessarily always seen eye-to-eye with management and leadership when it comes to certain decisions that were made. But being able to communicate with my staff for the last two years and just talk about the game that we all love has been a great distraction for me.
我的團隊也讓這份工作變得比較容易，因為他們都非常有熱情。我知道，在過去十年間，有時候我在一些決策上並不一定總是和管理層、領導層看法一致。但在過去這兩年裡，能夠持續跟我的團隊溝通、聊我們都熱愛的這項運動，對我來說是很大的精神支撐，也是一種很好的轉移注意力的方式。

Can you be more specific about ways you felt like your voice was heard before and was being heard less (now)?
你可以更具體地說說，你以前覺得自己聲音被聽見、而現在被聽見得比較少，是在哪些方面嗎？

More or less, you start to hear about what the team is doing through the media as opposed to being told by any member of the front office or organization. Not having any discussions in regards to player personnel, not communicating outside of my staff about the draft and ultimately watching decisions made that I wasn’t really informed of at the time. Obviously, I want what’s best for the Lakers, first and foremost, because this is a team I’ve watched my entire life and I’ve always loved. And I’m
very happy to see them doing really well right now this season.
大致來說，就是你開始是從媒體那裡知道球隊在做什麼，而不是由前台或球團裡任何人來告訴你。

在球員人事方面沒有任何討論，在選秀上除了我自己的團隊之外也沒有任何其他層面的溝通，最後只能看著一些決策被做出，而在當下我其實並沒有被真正告知。

當然，最重要的是，我始終希望對湖人隊來說是最好的結果，因為這是我一輩子看著長大的球隊，也是我一直熱愛的球隊。
而看到他們這個賽季打得這麼好，我也真的很替他們開心。

Is that bittersweet right now?
那這對你來說，現在是不是有點「五味雜陳」？

No, not at all. I don’t think it’s bittersweet because first and foremost, I’m a Lakers fan. When it comes down to it, even if I’m not part of the organization in any capacity, I’m always gonna root for this team. And obviously I root for players that Joey and I had a part of bringing in on the team, such as Austin (Reaves) and Rui (Hachimura).
不，一點也不。我不覺得是苦樂參半，因為最根本來說，我就是一個湖人球迷。
說到底，就算我不再以任何身分待在這個組織裡，我還是會永遠為這支球隊加油。
而且很顯然，我也會特別替那些 Joey 和我曾經參與帶進來的球員加油，比方說 Austin（Reaves）跟 Rui（八村）。

What’s next for you in basketball?
在籃球方面，你接下來的打算是什麼？

As long as we still have our ownership shares within the trust for the Buss family, we’re unable to work for another (team) or, I guess, be a part of another NBA team in terms of basketball. But there’s basketball at every single level, and the youth basketball is something that I’ve really taken to, watching both my sons grow and develop, and love the game. And also, giving an opportunity for many kids who deserve the best coaching and development in the world because they have a bright future in
the game.
只要我們在 Buss 家族的信託裡還持有球隊股份，我們就不能替其他球隊工作，或者說，不能在籃球方面成為另一支 NBA 球隊的一份子。

但籃球其實存在於每一個層級。青少年籃球是我現在非常投入的一塊，一邊看著我兩個兒子在場上成長、發展、愛上這項運動，同時也希望能給很多有潛力的孩子機會——他們值得世界上最好的教練與培養，因為他們在籃球上有很光明的未來。

As far as Buss Sports Capital goes, that’s something that Joey and I created, and we were fortunate enough to do so in order to look into other sports interests not just exclusive to basketball. We’ve already had many conversations with multiple teams from multiple leagues about potentially looking into things we could get into.
至於 Buss Sports Capital，那是 Joey 和我一起創立的。我們很幸運能夠這麼做，好讓我們可以去探索一些不只限於籃球、也包含其他運動的投資與興趣。我們已經和不同聯盟裡的多支球隊有過不少對話，在討論未來我們可能可以投入的各種可能性。

Today, you didn’t speak to your sister Jeanie or GM Rob Pelinka? Did they give you an explanation today?
今天你沒有跟你姊姊 Jeanie 或是總管 Rob Pelinka 說話嗎？他們今天有給你什麼解釋嗎？

No, I haven’t spoken to either of them in … five months.
沒有，我已經……有五個月沒有跟他們兩位說過話了。

Do you remember why?
你記得為什麼會變成這樣嗎？

Yeah. Jeanie informed me that there would be a vote on the sale of the team. And with Rob, he just informed me of who we would be drafting, which is pretty consistent with how it’s gone in the last couple years.
記得。Jeanie 那時候只是告訴我，會針對出售球隊這件事進行表決。至於 Rob，他只是通知我我們會選哪位球員而已——這其實也和過去幾年的情況蠻一致的。

Do you think the sports capital group you started with Joey furthered any rifts with Jeanie?
你覺得你和 Joey 一起創立的這個 sports capital（運動投資）公司，有沒有讓你和 Jeanie 之間的嫌隙變得更大？

I couldn’t answer that question. I think that’s something you’d have to ask Jeanie.
這個問題我沒辦法回答。我覺得這應該要去問 Jeanie。

But it was meant, in no shape or form, to be a threat to her or any of my siblings. It’s just something that Joey and I wanted a partner on. And obviously, Joey and I, we’re best friends. Whatever he’s involved in, I want to be involved in, and whatever I’m involved in, he wants to be involved in. So it’s only natural that we continue working together in multiple different capacities, just like my dad would’ve wanted us to do.
但那家公司在任何形式上，都不是想要對她或任何一位手足造成威脅。那只是 Joey 和我想一起合作的一件事而已。

很明顯，Joey 和我是最好的朋友。他參與的任何東西，我都想一起參與；我參與的任何東西，他也會想一起參與。
所以，我們在不同的角色上繼續一起工作，是很自然的事——就像我爸爸當年也會希望我們這麼做一樣。


You wondered what your dad would make of all of this. When you talked to him about his sort of vision for you and Joey with the organization, what was it?
你說過你也會想，如果你爸爸看到現在這一切會怎麼想。
當年你和他聊到他對你和 Joey 在這個球團裡的期待與規劃時，他是怎麼說的？

It was to run the basketball operations department one day, and that was something that was discussed over 15 years ago. And what he had told me at the time was that he wanted Jimmy to retire at some point within the next five to seven years, so this was about 2010, and he started to slowly incorporate Joey and I into the day-to-day operations. And eventually, I think the plan was (that) Jeanie was gonna run the business side and Joey and I were gonna help run the basketball operations department.
他的想法是，希望有一天由我們來管理整個籃球營運部門。
這類的對話大概是在十五年前就出現了。
當時他跟我說，他希望 Jimmy 能在接下來五到七年某個時間點退休——那大概是 2010 年左右——所以他就開始慢慢把 Joey 和我拉進球隊的日常營運裡。
最後，我想原本的計畫是，由 Jeanie 負責經營面的事務，而 Joey 和我則一起協助運作籃球營運部門。

Did you ever feel like it was close to seeing that vision fulfilled?
你有沒有覺得過，那個願景好像快要實現了？

No, but at times, I think my involvement with the organization came in waves. Obviously, I think we were able to specialize in the later parts of the draft, and that was kind of like my niche within the organization, being able to give a large amount of input on who we selected with those picks. And I think at times, I was consulted on various free agent moves or potential trades that we were considering.
沒有。但有時候，我覺得我在球團裡的參與程度是「一陣一陣的」。
很明顯的是，我們後段順位選秀這塊做得不錯，而那其實算是我在這個組織中的「專長」，我能在這些選秀權上給出相當多的意見。
也有一些時候，球隊在考慮某些自由球員操作或潛在交易時，會來徵詢我的看法。

But oftentimes within the organization, it kind of felt like I was being treated like I was working against them. And, I guess you could say, like an enemy. But the only thing I ever wanted was the most success for this team. The credit, or whoever was involved with those decisions, it didn’t really matter as long as it was the best possible thing for the Lakers.
但很多時候，在這個組織裡，我會覺得自己好像被當成是在「和他們對著幹」的人。你也可以說，好像被當成一個敵人。

可我唯一想要的，一直都只是讓這支球隊取得最大的成功。
那些功勞最後算在誰頭上、誰被認為參與了那些決策，對我來說其實沒有那麼重要，只要那真的是對湖人來說最好的選擇就行。

Since your dad purchased the team, it’s always been a family business. That’s had both positive and negative connotations. What do you think the Lakers organization will look like as it moves forward as not a family business?
自從你爸爸買下這支球隊以來，湖人一直都是個家族企業。這種模式當然有好有壞。那你覺得，現在湖人不再是家族企業之後，這個組織未來會變成什麼樣子？

I think Mark Walter has had a ton of success, obviously, in the sports landscape, and being able to see what he’s done with the Dodgers has been simply amazing. I think the Lakers are in great hands, honestly. Now, I think the team, as currently constructed, obviously it looks like that they could definitely make some noise this season. And it’s been an absolute thrill to watch them. I think JJ (Redick) is an absolutely fantastic coach and I think he’s proven that over the last year and some change.
我覺得 Mark Walter 在體育產業裡已經取得非常多成功，很明顯，看看他在道奇隊身上做的那些事，就已經相當驚人了。老實說，我認為湖人現在是交在一雙非常可靠的手裡。

就目前這支球隊的陣容來看，很明顯他們這個球季是有機會打出很大聲量的。看他們比賽真的很過癮。我覺得 JJ（Redick）是一位非常優秀的教練，過去一年多來他已經證明了這一點。

And I hope going forward that Mark can kind of bring a lot of what he brought to the Dodgers. Because I think if the vision, more or less, is the same from what I’ve seen over the last 10 years, then it necessarily isn’t always going to lead to the success that Laker fans have become accustomed to when my dad ran the operations and owned the team.
我也希望接下來 Mark 能把他在道奇身上做的那些事情，有很多帶到湖人這裡來。
因為如果接下來的願景，大致還是跟我這十年來看到的差不多，那麼它未必總是能帶來那種，在我爸爸掌權並擁有球隊時，湖人球迷習以為常的成功。

Do you think there’s a way in which the Buss family can still maintain an active role in the Lakers moving forward? Can any of these bridges be rebuilt?
你覺得 Buss 家族未來還有辦法在湖人裡維持某種程度的實際參與嗎？這些斷掉的連結有可能被修復嗎？

I wish them the best and at the end of the day. I love them because they’re my siblings, and I’m not exactly sure what went wrong along the way. I think that’s a question you’d have to ask them all individually. But at any point, if they need me for anything, any one of my siblings, I’m going to be there to support them.
我真心希望他們一切順利。說到底，我愛他們，因為他們是我的兄弟姊妹，而我其實也不太確定究竟是哪個環節出了問題。我覺得這些問題大概得去一個一個問他們才知道。
但不管怎樣，只要哪一位手足在任何時候需要我、需要我幫忙，我都會在那裡支持他們。


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推 ken720331: 真的愛籃球愛湖人1F 11/21 14:31
推 hanslins: 很棒的訪談2F 11/21 14:36
推 bm1041644: Jesse還是很大度3F 11/21 14:49
推 bemjamen123: 前朝難免被清洗4F 11/21 14:56
推 bm1041644: 也希望Jesse身體健康5F 11/21 15:01
推 kbcl: 這發言很有風度了 希望他往後一切順利（不過一個富二代也用不著鄉民擔心就是了）6F 11/21 15:06
推 rl55586: 感謝翻譯好文8F 11/21 15:12
推 kingbar815: 發言很得體，但說真的珍妮才是家族裡面看最遠的
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推 samuelass: 健康狀況網路查不到 會不會是在抗癌
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推 xvii: 哥們，10 billion 是 100億美15F 11/21 15:38
推 JBLs: Jesse這個訪談  真的大度阿   希望身體健康看湖人再創巔峰16F 11/21 15:41
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→ evangelew: 牛棚也崩成這樣~~~30F 11/21 16:09
→ Lattendue: 它們農場評價是前幾的阿 那是貨真價實的只是他們不大all in 而已
牛棚比較像是代償 開季先發倒光 燒牛棚撐住 然後狀態就沒回來過了-.-31F 11/21 16:09
推 srwalan: 很得體的回應，以及滿滿的真湖人情懷。35F 11/21 16:16
推 jetloading00: 感謝Jesse，希望他的身體康復，未來他的能力一定是可以在籃球領域貢獻
道奇的農場是真的很強，選秀跟培養計劃都很好，這點無庸置疑，跟他們砸錢挖人是不同事
例如德保拉就可能是下個自養的農場明星
他們農場很多好菜 要梭哈或是未來銜接都沒問題 這就是Walter讓人期待的地方
肯砸錢在挖人 但最根本球隊內部體系跟養成的打造還是很重視36F 11/21 16:20
推 Fifteam: 道奇就是百大永動機阿，後勤養成好，自然也會吸引大咖球星
Betts/雪哥也是交易來的，沒有好菜怎麼交易？45F 11/21 16:25
推 richard1003: 道奇農場上一波收割完了，這幾年還在養沒錯48F 11/21 16:28
推 bm1041644: 主要薪資包就要囤49F 11/21 16:28
→ BronyXrG: 發言甩鍋JHS跟DK 說那不是我做的決策 問佩總50F 11/21 16:29
推 Fifteam: 當年湖人有機會選到的後衛JHS George跟Kobe，大家最怕選到George
結果時過境遷發展最好的反而就是爵士George51F 11/21 16:32
→ ken720331: 後勤跟農場好才更有吸引力跟賭本54F 11/21 16:37
推 bm1041644: #1aYzm9va (Lakers) #1aanyIHU (Lakers)
參考這兩篇 23年就這樣 從選問題大概一樣
*重選55F 11/21 16:38
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作者: Eonst (Eonst) 2023 Lakers Draft Pool v1.0 本屆選秀大會，洛杉磯湖人持有 ＃17、＃47 兩枚選秀權，尤以 ＃17 順位這枚三年來唯一 的中段首輪為箇中之重。目前尚無明確跡象表示湖人將如何處理這枚選秀權，然不外四種結 果： 1. 向上交易
 
[外電] 湖人選秀試訓消息 - Lakers板 - Disp BBS
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jetloading00 目前進入小綠屋的新秀正在進行聯訪，透露這段期間試訓狀況，分享一些關於湖人的消息 ， 還有的話再持續更新。 -Kobe Bufkin 跟湖人已試訓、面試完成，表現非常好。 -Jalen Hood-Sc
推 BronyXrG: 23年選秀前就22年交易龜龜決裂吧58F 11/21 16:39
→ evangelew: 說到選秀 明年我知道是大年 但到底多大啊 好多球隊
瘋狂坦克大戰耶= =59F 11/21 16:42
推 bm1041644: 就四個都旗子等級的
正確一點是三個61F 11/21 16:44
推 richard1003: 現在說是4+1，加一個Caleb Wilson63F 11/21 16:48
推 tolove0721: 簡單說前幾名都核心。 不過我們主要還是看能不能選
到好的綠葉…64F 11/21 16:48
推 BronyXrG: 棋子到26年可能還排不上前5名 就是這麼誇張66F 11/21 16:56
推 Lattendue: 有好的C可以撿嗎 XD67F 11/21 16:57
推 tolove0721: 我們應該是要撿SF或者PF吧
最好是可以4-5的
如果SF解要給阿杜的話68F 11/21 16:58
→ Lattendue: 頓寶如果別隊給的錢真的太香了..71F 11/21 16:59
推 jetloading00: 我們的區間應該首輪末 其實剛好有幾個不錯的中鋒
可以換來長期使用
選來72F 11/21 17:01
推 bm1041644: 沒啦旗子跳級餒 他再多打一年大學肯定還是前五75F 11/21 17:01
推 BronyXrG: ncAa中鋒大多還是蹲坑 速度快的很少
周志豪在ncaa算很快囉 在nba被後衛吃爽的76F 11/21 17:02
推 tolove0721: 頓寶主要是其他隊伍開不太出來大合約啊。中產我們
有優勢78F 11/21 17:03
→ bm1041644: https://i.mopix.cc/v14Qfl.jpg
不知道消息真假 但國際球探確實能幫助湖人不少80F 11/21 17:04
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推 jetloading00: 不過開掉的話就表示會再補，這個時間點的話應該都還好82F 11/21 17:05
推 matsuwu: Jesse真是很棒的人84F 11/21 17:08
推 kobedaniel: 上面bm大放的那張圖，那三個名字應該只是惡搞的名字。85F 11/21 17:25
推 bm1041644: 是說我剛看了一下雷霆 他們選秀長人幾乎都放槍～87F 11/21 17:28
→ azlbf: 我剛剛google 並沒有這三個人88F 11/21 17:28
→ bm1041644: Poku、JRE、Dillon Jones、Dieng
@azlbf大大幫我把那張圖修掉吧 怕有人誤會 感恩89F 11/21 17:29
推 kip88363: 連藍勾勾都沒有的消息就先存疑吧…91F 11/21 17:32
推 kobedaniel: 我剛剛用估狗ai查了一下那幾個人名字，其實蠻好笑的，有點像遊戲取id時，類似大盜韓不助那種概念的人物名XD92F 11/21 17:33
推 evangelew: 旗子不是NCAA這十年來最強選秀嗎? 會有同一年度有這麼人可以超車旗子喔... 如果真的是 那下一屆選秀也太瘋了95F 11/21 18:51
推 mangojocker: 本來旗子就是要跟AJ 、Boozer、DP等人競爭 他跳級才有高機會能狀元被選 不然明年真的是誰狀元都不意外97F 11/21 19:06
推 LBJKO: 希望他未來發展上順遂 很棒跟很喜歡籃球的人 buss家族少數亮點99F 11/21 19:11
→ evangelew: 那這樣我會聯想到2014選秀耶 號稱三個LBJ101F 11/21 19:12

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