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標題 [情報] Passan和退役球員激烈筆戰：打擊率？
時間 Sat Aug  2 09:10:04 2025



ESPN名記者Jeff Passan和退役大聯盟球員Doug Mientkiewicz

在X上來了一場激烈的交流

起因在Passan發文提到了

海盜隊在Bednar交易案拿到的捕手Edgleen Perez

https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1950996033556681132

Among the return to the Pirates in Bednar deal, per ESPN sources: Catcher Rafael
 Flores, who tore up AA, is now at AAA, is a top-shelf framer and regarded as a
big league-ready catcher. A very good centerpiece. Also in it: Edgleen Perez, wh
o is 19 with excellent swing decisions

寫到他有非常優異的出棒選擇


然後退役大聯盟球員Doug Mientkiewicz就在下面爆氣了

Doug Mientkiewicz
Jeff Passan

https://x.com/dmeasrecruiting/status/1951247550599627141

Man what a time to be alive when a non baseball person writes “excellent swing
decisions” for a guy hitting 209 in A ball and is a career .241 hitter. I swear
 some scouts and writers will say anything to sound somewhat intelligent to non
baseball people

拜託，現在這年代真是讓人無言，一個根本不懂棒球的人，居然會寫「出棒選擇極佳」來形
容一個在1A打擊率只有2成09、生涯打擊率也才2成41的選手，我發誓，有些球探和寫手為了
在不懂棒球的人面前顯得有點見識，真的什麼都敢講




https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1951274851047489990

That description came from a scout, Doug. Do you hate them, too, or are you just
 bitter because batting average is no longer the metric people care about and it
’s the only one you were ever good at? Stay bitter, guy.

那可是球探說的耶，你連球探也要討厭嗎？還是說你只是因為現在大家不再只看打擊率，而
那剛好是你唯一拿得出手的數據，所以才這麼酸？繼續苦悶下去吧，老兄



https://x.com/dmeasrecruiting/status/1951329680377741328

Glad you finally admitted that guy.  Here is a line you should never forget.  I
can do what you do, you can’t do what the players do. Bitter?  Not at all. With
out players you have no job. Without scouts you have zero knowledge. Don’t forg
et it guy!

很好，你終於承認了，老兄給你一句永遠該記住的話：「我可以做你做的事，但你永遠做不
到球員能做的事」

我苦嗎？一點也不，沒有球員，你什麼事都做不了；沒有球探，你連基本知識都沒有，別忘
了這點，老兄！



https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1951348876343980480

It’s a good thing I’m trying not to play, Doug. The sad part is that you’re t
rying to think, and you are absolutely terrible at it.

There’s nothing more sad than an old ballplayer who wants things to be like the
y once were and is too incurious to care the game passed them by.

還好我沒打算上場打球，可悲的是你還在努力思考——而你真的超級不擅長這件事

沒有什麼比一個老球員還要悲哀的了，他只想事情回到過去的樣子，卻連一點好奇心都沒有
去理解這個比賽早就變了、而且把他遠遠甩在後頭




https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1951349599698035086

You had a good career. You were a good ballplayer. You did things I never could.


That doesn’t give you license to say stupid things.

I don’t know a lot — so I ask people who do. You think you know a lot — and t
hose who actually do laugh at you.

你過去的確有不錯的生涯，也是一位優秀的球員，做到了我一輩子都做不到的事。

但那不代表你就有資格說蠢話


我承認我懂得不多——所以我會去問真正懂的人，問題是，你以為自己懂很多，但那些真正
內行的人，只會笑你無知


Doug Mientkiewicz
一壘手
1998-2009

G:1087
PA:3844
.271
.360
.405
.765
OPS+100
899H
66HR

王葛葛前隊友(2007待過洋基）

https://i.imgur.com/jqDcXxs.jpeg
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※ 作者: zxc906383 2025-08-02 09:10:04
※ 文章代碼(AID): #1eZMLk5f (MLB)
※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1754097006.A.169.html
→ dinos: 非常優異的出棒選擇搭配不怎麼樣的擊球能力?1F 08/02 09:29
※ 編輯: zxc906383 (1.162.12.3 臺灣), 08/02/2025 09:33:21
推 nuggets0916: 選球好 contact爛 不就這樣而已2F 08/02 09:44
推 wahaha5678: 半夜時有看到，但這把Doug很像那種只會硬抓小辮子開酸的老害...3F 08/02 09:54
推 searoar: 這打擊率看起來是沒救5F 08/02 09:57
推 nomosa: 居然還能有薇琪的局6F 08/02 10:03
推 travis915117: 他才19歲又是捕手是要沒救啥啊…7F 08/02 10:19
推 visda: 出棒選擇跟打擊率只是正相關又不是因果關係，contact 扮演的角色更重要8F 08/02 11:01
→ william80730: 老害可能不知道出棒選擇極佳的Soto打擊率還不到.2510F 08/02 11:03
→ tyrone0923: 19歲就說人沒救，這個比較有趣11F 08/02 11:15
→ AHEAD099: Mientkiewicz是跟他有仇喔 球探報告寫好話不是很正常嗎怎麼就被戳到了12F 08/02 11:29
推 searoar: 以為19歲就有救的 倒是舉一個海盜農場養的打者14F 08/02 11:50
推 jfhw123: 出棒選擇極佳 要看的應該是chase%吧15F 08/02 12:41
推 geneaven: 我記的麵開維基算BB不錯K也算少的，他不懂出棒選擇？16F 08/02 12:43
→ sh3312037: 這是吵架，不是筆戰17F 08/02 13:16
→ dinos: 可能覺得ba太低不能用”優異”出棒選擇,頂多就”不很糟”18F 08/02 14:07
→ borriss:  影響打擊可能有幾十種變數  有幾樣永遠練不滿的
 但是能上MLB的可能有八成都已經練滿 剩下也七七八八了19F 08/02 16:46

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