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標題 [專欄] 格林看不到的價值：投射爛卻影響冠軍賽
時間 Fri Oct  9 00:23:00 2020

Danny Green's invisible value: How the third-highest paid Laker has impacted
NBA Finals amid a shooting slump
丹尼綠看不到的價值：在投射超爛的情況下湖人的第三高薪球員如何影響總冠軍賽

Death, taxes and Danny Green shooting slumps. They are the three
inevitabilities of life, and for the "glass half full" crowd, they come with
more optimistic opposites. Death is only the end result of life. The more you
make, the more you're taxed. And Green's slumps only stick out because his
hot streaks are so blistering. Toronto's championship run was a perfect
example. Green went 4-for-23 from behind the arc in the Eastern Conference
finals... and then started the NBA Finals 11-of-22 and all was forgiven.
Green's shot comes and goes.

死亡、繳稅、格林爆跌的命中率，他們是生活中三個無法避免的事情。對於裝滿半杯水的
人們來說，事情總有樂觀的一面（剩半杯或是有半杯）。死亡是生命的結束，你賺的越多
，你付越多稅，格林的爆爛很顯著因為他的起伏是多麼的強烈。暴龍奪冠的過程是最好的
例子。格林在東冠投23中4，但在總冠軍賽投22中11，之前的事都可以被原諒了，格林的
投射來來去去的。


It hasn't in the bubble. Green is sitting at 33 percent for the postseason,
and with only one game remaining before a potential championship, it's
looking like his typical eruption isn't coming. Yet Frank Vogel hasn't taken
him out of the starting lineup even once. Neither did Nick Nurse a year ago,
or Gregg Popovich in any of his last six postseason runs in San Antonio. Some
of that is trust. Some of it is blind hope of regression. But mostly, three
of the best coaches in the NBA have all come to the same correct conclusion:
Danny Green still impacts games positively even when his shot isn't falling.

但在泡泡圈內這並沒有發生，格林在季後賽的命中率只有33%，在可能只剩一場比賽的情
況下，看起來他典型的爆發並不會來到（會不會被打臉啊？）。但是我哥從來都沒有把他
移出先發，去年的護士也是一樣，甚至在波波執教下待六年的馬刺也是。有些是信仰，有
些是盲目的希望數據會回歸平均值。但至少，三個NBA最棒的教練都得到了一樣且正確的
結論：就算射的很爛，格林仍然正面的影響著比賽


The numbers bear that out for the Lakers. They have outscored opponents by
148 points in Green's 476 playoff minutes and have been outscored by 14 in
the 436 minutes he's sat out. The obvious explanation for this is that he is
still an excellent defensive player independent of his own shooting, yet most
of this gap comes on offense. The Lakers are scoring 121.5 points per 100
possessions with Green on the floor in the postseason and 107.5 without him.
Lakers fans frustrated with his nearly-$15 million salary have run through
the entire laundry list of possible excuses for that from "he still has
gravity even when his shots aren't falling" to "he plays most of his minutes
with LeBron James and Anthony Davis" to "it's just blind shooting luck in his
lineups," but the far simpler answer here is that Green is just an enormously
intelligent basketball player.

數字可以證明，在格林上場的476分鐘，湖人勝過對手148分，在他待在場下的436分鐘，
湖人輸了14分。最明顯的解釋是不管他的投射如何，他都是一位優秀的防守者，但其實最
大的差異在於進攻。格林在場上的時候，湖人每百回合可以得到121.5分，但格林在場下
的時候，每百回合只能得到107.5分。受夠他1500萬年薪的湖人球迷已經用盡了所有的藉
口像是："就算他射的很爛，他還是可以吸引防守"、"他大部分的時候都跟姆斯和戴維斯
一起在場上"到"他就是賽啦！"，但最簡單的答案是格林是非常有智慧的球員


Basketball IQ tends to be ascribed to ball-handlers. It's easy to watch Rajon
Rondo dissect a defense in pick-and-roll and marvel at his brilliance, but
the label shouldn't be so limited. Shooting, in Green's case, is the
byproduct of the dozens of little things that make him such a special role
player whether or not those shots go in. Game 4 of the NBA Finals provided a
number of worthwhile examples.

籃球智商通常會歸功於持球者。我們很容易看到軟豆利用擋拆撕裂防守然後讚嘆他的聰明
，但標籤不應該這麼的侷限。在格林的例子中，很多小事情使他變成一個特別的球員，不
管他能不能投進，投射只是這些事情的副產品。第四場比賽就提供了很多的例子


Selling the screen
LeBron is one of the NBA's preeminent switch-hunters, and Duncan Robinson has
been his prey of choice in the Finals. The method is simple: whoever Robinson
is guarding screens for LeBron, which forces Robinson to switch onto LeBron.
Miami's defense is so concerned with mitigating the damage of such a switch
that they lost track of the simplest switch-busting tactic in basketball:
slipping.

姆斯是NBA最著名的點名王，而石佛上將是他的獵物之一。方法很簡單，任何守上將守的
人去幫姆斯單擋，強迫上將去守詹姆斯。熱火的防守很在意這樣換防的破壞導致他們忘了
最簡單破換防的技巧：溜走


A lazy slip is a predictable slip, but nothing about Green's acting job here
is lazy. He comes from the opposite corner seemingly to screen for James, and
sells the idea of that screen to Robinson masterfully with a quick, tiny
little jump stop in front of Jimmy Butler. Robinson switches, but immediately
following that stop, he continues into the corner before making serious
contact with Butler. Butler, therefore, doesn't register the switch, and
Green gets a wide-open 3-pointer from the corner.

懶墮的滑溜是可以預測的，但格林做的事一點都不懶。他從對方的角落過來，看似要幫姆
斯單擋，並且很熟練的利用一個小跳到吉巴前面來讓上將認為格林是要幫擋。上將換防了
，但格林在停下來後，馬上在跟吉巴接觸前往角落跑去，所以吉巴並沒有注意到要換防，
而格林得到一個非常大的三分空檔


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyForsakenFoxterrier-mobile.mp4

Green punished the Heat for their expectations, goading Robinson into a
switch that wasn't necessary in order to free himself for easy points. Most
players slip too early. Some players oversell the screen. But nuance is
Green's specialty, and he isn't the sole beneficiary of those veteran tricks.

格林利用熱火的預期來懲罰熱火，誘導上將做不必要的換防來讓他自己自由。大部分的球
員太早溜走了，有些球員擋過頭了。

Peek-a-boo and the art of off-ball movement

捉迷藏和無球移動的藝術

Green spends a lot of his time in the corner. Many role players do. He starts
this play like most others, waiting there for the action to potentially reach
him. Eventually, it does. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope runs a loop around the
court, and Bam Adebayo chases him. But watch what happens when Caldwell-Pope
gets to the baseline. Green quickly shuffles out of the corner and behind
Tyler Herro, obstructing Adebayo's vision of him. He then immediately pops
back out from behind Herro once Caldwell-Pope has passed for a surprise
screen on Adebayo, which takes him off of Caldwell-Pope.

格林花了很多的時間在角落，就像其他的角色球員一樣，等待著可能行動的時機到來。
KCP繞著球場一圈，阿爹追著他，但KCP到底線後格林看到了，馬上躲到Herro的後面，讓
阿爹不要注意到他，之後他突然跳出來幫KCP擋住了阿爹。（櫻木是用這個騙犯規）


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GenerousAcademicCirriped-mobile.mp4

It's the role player equivalent of White Goodman's patented peek-a-boo
attack, but its impact is much subtler. The hard screen forces Adebayo off of
Caldwell-Pope and into the corner on Green. Despite his best efforts, that
functionally takes Miami's best defender out of the play, which turns into a
dunk for Davis that he couldn't contest because of Green's gravity.

這樣的影響是很微妙的，這個單擋迫使阿爹遠離KCP來防守格林，儘管阿爹很努力了，這
一招讓熱火最好的防守者無法參與防守，因為得要守格林的三分，這也導致他無法守AD的
灌籃


Green quietly punked Adebayo again a bit later, and just as before, the move
was subtle. Bam winds up in the corner on Green, and as Davis drives, Green
gives Adebayo a nice little tap on the back, as if to say "don't worry big
fella, I'm right here, you can leave me alone and creep towards the basket."
It buys him a split second of freedom to launch the 3.

格林之後又莫莫的搞了阿爹一次，就跟之後一樣，動作非常的細微。阿爹在角落守著格林
，戴維斯準備要切，格林到阿爹的背後拍了一下，彷彿在跟阿爹說："別擔心啦～我就在
這裡，你可以不用管我，專心的往籃框看就好了"，之後他就回到角落得到了空檔三分的
機會


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BowedDistantHornbill-mobile.mp4

Adebayo was a Second-Team All-Defense forward this season. Few wings have
gotten the better of him. Green did in the second quarter of Game 4 through
little more than veteran guile. He has plenty of that on defense as well.

阿爹是防守第二隊，很少有人防守比他好，但格林在第二節卻很多詭計騙了他。除了進攻
，在防守上也有很多招式。

His lightning-quick, ambidextrous hands
他的手非常快，左右雙撇子

Green revealed in an interview during his rookie year that he is
ambidextrous, but nobody paid it much mind because he barely dribbles. Where
it has come into play, though, is on defense. Green is not just comfortable
swiping with either hand, but can do so at almost any angle. One of his Game
4 steals came as he chased Herro, reached around his body and poked the ball
out from behind with his right hand for the two easiest points of the night.

格林菜鳥時期曾經說他是雙撇子，但沒有人注意到它因為他幾乎都不運球。但在防守的時
候，卻可以看到他的使用。格林不僅可以舒適的左右換手，更可以在任何的角度這樣做。
在他追著英雄的時候，他用他的右手把球給拍掉，輕鬆得到兩分。


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KeyVengefulFawn-mobile.mp4

He very nearly came up with another steal from behind, this time with his
left hand while side-shuffling over a screen.

他幾乎又再抄到一球，這次他利用繞過單擋的時候，用了他的左手撥掉球

Green has lost a step with age and a hip injury has nagged him during the
postseason, but he remains a valuable defender in large part because of how
he can use his length. Green tied for the Laker lead in deflections per game
during the regular season, and even if he gets beaten off of the dribble more
than he used to, he still affects jump-shooters even after chasing them
around the court.

格林雖然因為年紀和受傷失去了一點速度，他然後是非常有價值的防守，因為他有長度。
格林每場比賽把球偏移的數量是湖人最多，就算他被過了，他也常常追著射手，並且影響
他們的投射


It speaks to one of Green's best traits, something that has shown up in all
of these clips: his spatial awareness. Green uses and manipulates his
position on the court as well as practically any off-ball player in
basketball, and he does it on both sides of the ball. It is part of what sets
him apart from his more traditional 3-and-D contemporaries. He doesn't need
to hit his 3's to provide value.

格林最棒的特色就是他的空間感，以上影片所展示的進攻和防守都來自於此。所以即使他
投不進三分，他仍然比傳統的3D球員有價值

In a sense, that could be viewed as the mantra for this entire Laker team.
They are about to win a championship in the highest-volume 3-point shooting
season of all time despite taking the 23rd-most 3-pointers per game in
basketball. Their stars drive that contrarian approach, but their role
players support it, perhaps none more so than Green, the shooter that doesn't
need to shoot.

在NBA史上三分最多的球季，儘管湖人的三分投射量聯盟第23名，但他們快要拿到冠軍了
。他們的球星違反而聯盟的趨勢，但他們的角色球員支持著它，或許沒有人做的比格林更
多，一個不需要射的射手。



心得：
真影子籃球員
可惜沒有影子投籃的準度

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推 MrSatan: 靈氣堂射手1F 10/09 00:26
推 MK47: 不過為啥講的這麼猛 第四節都很少給他打2F 10/09 00:26
推 ae6892723: 啊這麼猛怎麼關門要上kcp而不是他?3F 10/09 00:29
噓 answermangtr: 預祝靈堂射手二連霸4F 10/09 00:29
推 victor21835: 不然上jr 嗎？5F 10/09 00:31
推 lai162: 真的要靠DG 上半場把籃框砸歪 讓熱火下半場投不中6F 10/09 00:31
→ luganzhin: 溜走王，第四節也默默溜走了7F 10/09 00:32
推 lin1023: 看到lai162的留言直接笑出來XD8F 10/09 00:32
推 DerLuna: 球商真的高　而且他都根本用走的就有空檔9F 10/09 00:32
推 LaoDa5815566: 嘴綠看不到的價值：投射爛還有拳腳功夫10F 10/09 00:33
推 AbukumaKai: 他騙到海一樣大的空檔 也不會進啊==11F 10/09 00:34
推 rosemarycat: 笑死 先把籃框打歪12F 10/09 00:34
推 Mrgoat: 智商壓制阿爹 好猛13F 10/09 00:34
推 elviscarter: DG的防守值2000萬！進攻扣500萬回去才符合身價14F 10/09 00:34
推 curtismaniac: 同樣的概念放在另外一個格林身上也可以，另外一個格林防守更全面球商更高還能組織，投籃一樣從總冠軍賽可以eff52+的射手變成被放投的對象，但很少人聽到人家稱讚他XD15F 10/09 00:35
噓 fupm: 他最大問題就是把空檔做太大害自己投不進19F 10/09 00:39
→ class21535: 聖堂靈氣20F 10/09 00:40
推 armageddonwa: 先打歪籃框是我存在的意義21F 10/09 00:42
推 KKB: 不需要射進的射手22F 10/09 00:42
推 risingsuns: lai52好好笑
lai16223F 10/09 00:43
推 roger2623900: 三分命中率微妙 但百回合進攻+14 投不進但只要上場就能讓隊友進攻變強也是蠻神奇的
只能說DG打球真的很聰明25F 10/09 00:43
推 nedekwn: 意思是說 他上場能讓隊友有空檔的時間變多了?28F 10/09 00:46
推 super009: 標題看成格林看不到價值 進來才發現有個 的29F 10/09 00:47
推 DALLASDirk: 遙想當年DG冠軍賽射爆LBJ的熱火 還被叫聖堂射手時QQ30F 10/09 00:48
→ Puye: 即使如此我還是希望他能多射一點 他進攻多發揮一點31F 10/09 00:50
推 Hsan: 把籃框砸歪XDDD32F 10/09 00:50
→ Puye: 湖人會更順遂 才不會一直看到外線打鐵33F 10/09 00:50
推 s10130804: 有長度是跟鄉民一樣30cm嗎34F 10/09 00:50
→ rony98: 有LBJ和AD兩隻吸怪機 DC歪歐噴很多 但就是不會進...35F 10/09 00:50
推 jimmyisgay: 意思是他很多招 可以幫助隊友得分36F 10/09 00:51
推 kobi20lynn: 另類的高價射手37F 10/09 00:51
→ cauliflower: 川普不同意第二項38F 10/09 00:51
推 tony20095: 他就真的超影薄，常常偷跑沒被發現39F 10/09 00:53
推 rbki3: 如臻化境了!  To be or Not to be~ 對手猜不透你!40F 10/09 00:54
推 ZaireWade3: 價值就是扛戰犯 讓湖人其他人勞賽時能被少嘴點41F 10/09 00:56
推 rj486: 他會不會晉升到用氣功守住對手？一般人看不到
這就是所謂看不到的價值42F 10/09 01:01
推 icou: DG的協防太重要了44F 10/09 01:02
→ super009: 綠子的籃球45F 10/09 01:04
推 ooplus: 嘴綠這兩年進攻比靈堂還雷耶46F 10/09 01:05
推 wpd: 聖光靈堂47F 10/09 01:05
推 LBJ23: 那第四節可以不要上Caruso上DG嗎  Caruso真的太嫩48F 10/09 01:06
推 mark0912n: 靈堂是投射是骰 嘴綠直接沒有了好嗎49F 10/09 01:12
推 ooplus: 上caruso應該是因為他的運動能力啦50F 10/09 01:12
→ mark0912n: Danny Green這季還有36.7% 嘴綠不到30%51F 10/09 01:13
推 danorken: 預祝靈堂週六變聖堂52F 10/09 01:13
推 santiago148: 籃框砸歪笑死53F 10/09 01:15
→ Sailingeegee: 有原文網址嗎 求個54F 10/09 01:21
推 kobe30418: 第四節不用DG 因為第四節是巨星時刻55F 10/09 01:22
推 Allenlin0720: 籃框砸歪笑死XD56F 10/09 01:26
推 Usayhiisayha: 那個拍背真的神57F 10/09 01:26
→ FatalLuna: 寧可他勇敢點骰三分  看他切入拋投才吐血58F 10/09 01:27
推 zego41: 到底為什麼三分會變這樣啊，沒看過什麼成名射手走樣59F 10/09 01:32
→ ken720331: 上籃不進乾脆給我灌籃好嗎？，老將沒有上籃手感很丟臉QQ60F 10/09 01:32
推 blackkeys: 骰子牛62F 10/09 01:35
推 hermionex: 馬刺後面那幾年早就靈堂化惹 去年才迴光返照63F 10/09 01:38
推 ykes60513: 影子射手64F 10/09 01:41
推 bl00190: 事實就是贏球才是王道  現在如果落後的是湖人  他那個命中率早就被酸民幹到爆了   然後文章標題就變成湖人需要聖殿射手回歸65F 10/09 01:41
推 STRO: 他數據看起來很爛，但是很清楚自己要做什麼，場上有他在就很容易運轉順利68F 10/09 01:42
推 scott68680: lai笑死70F 10/09 01:48
推 jelitec: 好了爛成這樣還能吹 真是服了你們71F 10/09 01:53
推 mmmn52332: 他在馬刺就是這樣了，所以有時候真的很恨他投不進..72F 10/09 01:59
推 charles33: 因為他有長度XDDDD73F 10/09 02:02
噓 nicohsnu: 好慘...需要寫成這樣來體現他的價值74F 10/09 02:04
推 j9145: 湖人三分只要三成命中率就夠了，靈堂在總冠軍賽前命中率的確是三成。 誰知道總冠軍還能往下掉75F 10/09 02:06
→ qazqaz69: 湖人除了喇叭誰戒指比他多77F 10/09 02:15
推 jetrider: 因為有些人搞不懂他的價值才需要特地寫一篇啊 呵呵78F 10/09 02:19
推 DerLuna: 上籃一直放槍真的囧79F 10/09 02:20
推 gigiii1134: 至少前面幾球他都成功的讓阿爹無法協防，進而讓隊友輕鬆得分80F 10/09 02:33
推 s5167267: 聖堂是不是花很多錢在打廣告啊 哈哈哈哈82F 10/09 02:47
→ Woodoo9: Green的防守意識真的很好，但是投不進就是慘。83F 10/09 02:49
推 forfiet: 看來是很會搞事的兄弟，可惜上籃放槍投籃太骰84F 10/09 03:09
推 Surffie: 怕拿不到戒指想洗白喔85F 10/09 03:09
推 erosha: 他就是賽啦 lol86F 10/09 03:30
推 ksvs0406: 看一看我知道GD下場要爆發了87F 10/09 03:43
推 theowing: 那是贏球才掩蓋了所有的問題88F 10/09 03:56
噓 King5566: 看他快攻處理球的鳥樣 說球商多高我真的懷疑89F 10/09 04:06
推 Gibye5566: 如果輸球早被鞭死 他球商沒問題 一般射手有
LBJ AD牽制 至少4成3分 靈堂是大空檔也很骰90F 10/09 05:08
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