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標題 [外絮] 76人西門的交易僵局-我們所知道跟不知道的
時間 Fri Sep 10 11:30:56 2021

來源: ESPN
網址: https://tinyurl.com/csvhxpex
Everything we know and don't know about Ben Simmons, the Philadelphia 76ers and their trade impasse
[圖]
The former No. 1 pick wants to be traded and the 76ers want to trade him. So why hasn't it happened yet, and what's next? ...

 

Everything we know and don't know about Ben Simmons, the Philadelphia 76ers
and their trade impasse
76人跟西門的交易僵局：我們目前所知道跟不知道的部分

By Tim Bontemps and Bobby Marks

Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers remain at an impasse, as the two sides
have been since Philadelphia was eliminated in the second round of the
playoffs by the Atlanta Hawks in June.
自從六月份季後賽第二輪76人被老鷹掃地出門後，西門跟76人球團就處在僵局。

Simmons, who is under contract for four more seasons, would like to be

traded. The 76ers would like to trade him, but only for a return they believe
is commensurate with how they value the 25-year-old three-time All-Star and
two-time All-Defense selection.
還有四年約在身上的西門喊出了吹密，76人也想交易他，但是他們想要可以拿到相當於這
位25歲，有過三次全明星，兩次年度防守陣容的球員價值的回報。

So far, a deal hasn't happened. Until it does, both sides will remain locked
in a stalemate.
但是到現在為止，這交易沒發生。除非交易達成，目前兩邊就會一直卡在這個僵局裡。

Sources previously told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that Simmons has sought a
trade out of Philadelphia and that Simmons' agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich
Paul, and Sixers management met earlier this summer. Now, sources confirmed
Simmons has threatened to skip the start of training camp in an effort to put
pressure on Philadelphia to make a move.
根據消息來源告訴Woj，西門想要離開76人，西門的經紀人富保羅跟76人的制服組在今年夏
天稍早有會面過。而現在，消息來源證實西門有威脅球團，他會不到訓練營，藉以對76人
施加壓力。


All of that adds up to Philadelphia -- a city that has grown accustomed to
drama surrounding its basketball team -- being home to the league's stickiest
situation with less than three weeks until training camp.
費城這個已經習慣籃球隊有抓馬的城市，現在處在一個最為棘手的狀況，而距離訓練營開
訓只剩不到三個禮拜的時間。

How did we get here?
到底怎麼變成這樣的？

From the moment Simmons passed out of a wide-open dunk to Matisse Thybulle
with under four minutes to go in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference semifinals
against the Hawks, league insiders have believed his exit from Philadelphia
was inevitable.
東區準決賽第七場面對老鷹比賽剩下不到四分鐘，西門在沒人防守的狀況下沒灌籃，反而
把球傳給了Matisse Thybulle，從那之後，聯盟內的消息人士就認為，西門離開76人已經
是無法避免的了。


After staunchly defending Simmons all season, Sixers coach Doc Rivers was
asked after that Game 7 loss if Simmons could be a championship-level point
guard.
整季都替西門堅定辯護的河流，在第七戰結束後被問到西門有可能成為冠軍級別的控衛
時，他說：

"I don't know the answer to that," Rivers said.
「對那問題我沒有答案。」

Part of the reason Rivers defended Simmons all season was that it was his
latest attempt to use his news conferences to boost the confidence of one of
his key players -- something he'd had success doing with players like Rajon
Rondo with the Boston Celtics and DeAndre Jordan with the LA Clippers.
河流整季都替西門辯護，部分的理由可能是他想藉此去給他的主要核心球員打氣增加自
信--這方法他以前在賽提用在Rajon Rondo身上以及在快艇DeAndre Jordan身上都有效果。

Not only was Philadelphia still hoping Simmons would become more willing to
shoot, but there also was the fact that Simmons' name had been bandied about
in James Harden trade talks at the start of the season.
不僅76人當時仍舊希望西門會變得更有意願出手投球，而且在季初那時鬍子喊出吹密時西
門的名字一直有被提到。

Ultimately, none of it worked, culminating with Simmons passing up that
wide-open dunk.
不過最終，這些方法沒有一個奏效，最後就是西門那個沒人守可以灌籃的機會卻把球傳了
出去。

Shortly after that ugly Game 7 loss, and following a discussion between
management and Simmons' representation, both sides agreed to look for a trade
as the draft and free agency approached. Over the ensuing weeks, the Sixers
had talks with numerous teams, sources said, and several made what they
believed were legitimate offers.
在Game 7結束後沒多久，西門團隊跟制服組討論，最後雙方同意在選秀及FA市場開市後尋
找交易對象。在那幾周，根據消息來源，76人跟許多隊伍都談過，然後一些隊伍提出了他
們認為是合理的報價給76人。


It became clear the Sixers' asking price for Simmons was steep; Philly was
looking for a premium return whether it was a star player, multiple
first-round picks or both.
後來知道76人開價過高，他們要嘛要一個頂級球員，不嘛就是多個首輪籤，甚至兩個都
要。

After the transaction season ended in mid-August, owner Joshua Harris and
76ers management flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons and agent Rich
Paul. The Sixers intended to tell Simmons they couldn't find a deal for him
and hoped to put aside differences and enter the season on the same page,
sources said.
在8月中後，76人老闆Joshua Harris跟制服組飛去LA跟西門以及他的經紀人富保羅碰面。
根據消息來源，76人這邊跟西門說他們沒辦法達成交易，然後希望大家可以把之前的歧見
放在一旁，然後攜手同心一起打新的賽季。


Simmons, however, was steadfast, telling Harris he didn't want to play for
the team again and that if he wasn't traded by the end of the month he didn't
intend to come to training camp, sources said.
然而，根據消息來源說，西門很堅定的告訴老闆Harris，他不想再替76人打球了，然後若
是月底他沒有被交易走，他是沒有意願去訓練營報到的。

The point was made that it wasn't Simmons' responsibility to increase his
trade value, and that the Sixers should find the best possible trade and
execute it now, rather than wait for a strong start to the season to increase
his value.
其中也說到增加西門的交易價值不是西門的責任，然後76人應該找到最有可能的交易對象
後就去做，而不是要等到開季然後開季有個好表現來增加他的交易價值。

Why hasn't Simmons been traded yet?
為什麼西門還沒有交易走呢？

The simple answer? Because Damian Lillard and Bradley Beal aren't available
yet.
想聽簡單一點的答案嗎？那就是因為小李Damian Lillard跟Bradley Beal目前是換不到
的。

Philadelphia's president of basketball operations, Daryl Morey, has proven
three things over his long, successful run as an executive: He isn't afraid
of awkward situations, he isn't going to make a deal for the sake of making
one and he is constantly trying to swing trades for stars.
76人總管Daryl Morey一直以來擔任總管一直都很成功，有三件事可以知道：他不怕尷尬的
局面，他不會為了交易而交易，而且他一直會持續嘗試去交易以換來明星球員。

Like several other teams around the league, the 76ers are closely monitoring
the Lillard situation in hopes that he asks out of Portland. Earlier this
summer, Lillard said he didn't feel like the Blazers had a championship
roster and wanted to see improvements. Portland has had a quiet offseason in
terms of free-agent additions.
就像聯盟裡面其他幾支隊伍，76人一直在密切注意小李的狀況，希望他會喊吹密。今年夏
天稍早時，小李說他不覺得阿拓現在有奪冠的陣容，希望球隊可以做補強。雖然有補進了
一些FA，阿拓這休賽季算是相對安靜的。


Until there's any movement there -- or another team comes in with a huge
offer for Simmons separately -- it seems likely Simmons will remain on
Philadelphia's roster for the foreseeable future.
除非真的有動作--或者其他隊伍拿出大禮包來換西門--目前來看，很有可能西門在可預見
的未來仍然會還在76人。

Would Simmons really not report to training camp?
西門真的會不到訓練營嗎？

Rich Paul hasn't been afraid to use this sort of tactic to his advantage in
the past. Two Klutch Sports clients, Tristan Thompson and JR Smith, had
protracted contract negotiations with the Cleveland Cavaliers deep into
training camp, only getting them done close to the start of the regular
season.
在過去富保羅從來不會害怕用這些手段來獲取一些優勢。之前兩個他的客戶，Tristan
Thompson跟JR Smith，在騎士時期就到訓練營末段都還在討論合約事宜，到了快要開季的
時候才談成合約。

This situation is different. Simmons is under contract for another four
seasons, which diminishes his leverage. Holding out is one way he could
pressure Philadelphia to make a move -- although it's unlikely Morey would
feel the need to rush into making one.
不過這次的情形跟以前不一樣，西門現在還有4年的合約，這讓他手上的籌碼變少了。不參
加訓練營是他給76人施加壓力的方式--不過這就要讓Morey因此就去急忙忙的做出下一步是
不太可能的。


Expect the NBA to step in if Simmons does not report and the 76ers do not
penalize him financially with a suspension. The last thing the league can
afford is a precedent of players under contract not reporting for training
camp.
若是西門不報到，然後76人也沒因此禁他賽罰他錢的話，可以預期聯盟將會介入。聯盟最
不想要的是有合約的球員不到訓練營報到的先例。

Have there been recent examples of players under contract not reporting to
camp?
過去有球員有約在身卻沒有到訓練營報到的案例嗎？

The closest is Jimmy Butler in 2018 with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Butler
was dissatisfied that his contract was not renegotiated during the offseason
and believed not everyone on the roster was aligned to winning. As a result,
he implored the organization to trade him.
最近的例子是在2018年灰狼時期的吉巴。那時吉巴對球隊在休賽季沒有跟他重談合約很不
爽，然後認為隊上球員不是所有人都是想贏球的，因此他跟球隊喊出了吹密。

The Butler situation was different because the Timberwolves gave him
permission to miss media day and the early part of training camp while he
rehabbed his right knee. When Butler did return to training camp on Oct. 10,
he created a storm at his first practice, challenging teammates, coaches and
front-office executives.
但是吉巴的狀況是不一樣的，因為灰狼球團同意他在媒體日缺席，也同意他去復健他的右
膝，前面的訓練營期間可以不用來。不過當吉巴在10/10回來的時候，他在第一次的練習就
掀起風暴，挑戰隊友，教練以及制服組成員。


One of those targets was then-GM Scott Layden: "You f---ing need me, Scott.
You can't win without me," Butler reportedly said.
其中一個對象就是當時的灰狼總管Scott Layden，他說，「Scott，你他媽的需要我；沒有
我，你們贏不了球。」

The young Timberwolves team that reached the playoffs the previous year
started the season 3-7. After four straight losses, Butler was traded on Nov.
12 to the 76ers, where he helped Simmons and Embiid reach the second round of
the playoffs before losing to the eventual champion Toronto Raptors.
天賦狼在前一年打進季後賽，當季開始是3-7；在連續四場輸球後，吉巴在11/12交易到76
人。然後吉巴幫助西門跟鉛筆打進季後賽第二輪，最後輸給了暴龍。

Another example is when the Rockets' James Harden asked for a trade last
offseason and missed the first week of training camp as a result of failing
to meet the NBA's COVID-19 protocols.
另外一個案例就是去年休賽季的鬍子，他因為沒有符合聯盟COVID-19準則而缺席了第一周
的訓練營。

Harden eventually practiced on Dec. 14 but was ruled unavailable for the
Rockets' season opener after being spotted at an indoor party without a mask,
a violation of the league's health and safety protocols that cost him
$50,000. Houston started the season 3-6 before Harden was traded to Brooklyn
in mid-January.
鬍子最後在12/14開始練球，但是因為被發現沒戴口罩開趴，違反了聯盟健康與安全準則被
罰了5萬鎂，也缺席了開幕戰。最後火箭開季3-6，在一月中把鬍子交易到了籃網。

A Simmons no-show at training camp would be considered more of an
inconvenience and less of a disruption.
西門不到訓練營報到比較被認為是造成不方便，但是不會是太困擾的狀況。

Unlike Minnesota and Houston, where Butler and Harden were both their teams'
top players, that is not the case in Philadelphia. The 76ers have an MVP
candidate in Joel Embiid and a strong nucleus led by Tobias Harris, Seth
Curry, Thybulle and Tyrese Maxey.
不像天賦狼跟火箭，吉巴跟鬍子都是他們球隊的頂尖球員，這在76人就不一樣了。76人有
MVP等級的鉛筆，以及另外一群堅強核心球員包括了Tobias Harris，Seth Surry，
Thybulle跟Tyrese Maxey。

With or without Simmons, Philadelphia is still a playoff team, although
likely not one of the favorites to come out of the Eastern Conference.
有沒有西門，76人都會是一支季後賽隊伍，只是很可能不會是闖出東區的熱門隊伍。

What are the financial implications if Simmons holds out?
若是西門不去報到，財務方面會有怎樣的影響呢？

Under Article VI, Section 1 (player conduct) of the collective bargaining
agreement, a player who fails to render services would be suspended and could
be fined up to 1/145th of the player's base compensation for each day he does
not show up.
根據團體協商合約規定，球員若是沒有提供他們的服務會被處禁賽，然後每日罰錢，最高
每日可到他們薪水的1/145。

This means Simmons could forfeit $227,613 for every practice and game that he
misses. It should be noted that Simmons would need to be suspended before the
76ers can levy the per-day penalty.
這代表了每次沒去練或是沒上場比賽門可能會要損失22萬7613鎂。不過要注意的是，西門
得要先被禁賽，然後76人球團才能每日開罰。

Taking the suspension approach is the point of no return for the 76ers, who
would lose a ton of leverage in their search for a trade.
不過若是76人拿出禁賽手段的話，這代表了76人走上了不歸路，他們在尋找交易上將會喪
失了許多籌碼。

If the 76ers elect not to enforce the "failure to render services" language
in the CBA, they could still fine him $2,500 for the first missed practice,
$5,000 for the second missed practice, $7,500 for the third missed practice
and a reasonable fine under the circumstances for a fourth (or additional)
missed practice.
若是76人球團選擇不要按照團體薪資協議上的"未能提供服務"的規定來行使，他們也還能
夠因他缺席第一次練習罰2500鎂，第二次練習罰5000鎂，第三次罰7500鎂，第四次或是之
後更多的缺席開罰合理的價碼。


However, Simmons' situation is unique because of the pay structure in his
contract.
不過，西門因為他的合約給付模式導致他的狀況很不一樣。

When Simmons signed his five-year $177.2 million rookie max extension in
2019, he elected to be paid 25% of his salary for every season on July 1, 25%
on Oct. 1 and the remaining 50% in 12 installments starting on Nov. 15.
2019年當西門簽下5年1億7720萬鎂的菜鳥頂薪續約時，他選了每年7/1拿當年薪水的25%，
10/1拿25%，然後11/15後分12期拿剩下的50%。

The unknown is if the 76ers would withhold $8,250,984 on Oct. 1 if he doesn't
show up for training camp.
目前不知道若是西門缺席訓練營的話，他們會不會就先不付10/1該付的825萬984鎂的錢給
西門。

What is Simmons' relationship with Embiid now?
鉛筆現在跟西門的關係如何？

From the moment Simmons and Embiid began playing together in 2017, there have
been questions about their on-court fit despite the two of them consistently
posting positive net ratings when sharing the court.
2017年西門開始跟鉛筆一起打球，一直有人對於他們兩個同時在場上是否合適有許多疑
問，儘管數據顯示當兩個都在場上是正面的。

Philadelphia's repeated stumbles in the playoffs haven't eased those
concerns. And after Embiid spoke to the media following the 76ers' Game 7
loss to the Hawks, the idea of breaking up the stars burst open.
76人接連在季後賽鎩羽沒有讓這些憂慮平息。而在76人輸給老鷹的Game 7的媒體訪問時，
鉛筆跟媒體講的讓這雙人組分手的想法爆開了。

"I'll be honest. I thought the turning point was when we, I don't know how to
say it, is when we had an open shot and we made one free throw," Embiid said,
not naming Simmons but specifically calling out his passed-up layup
opportunity as the reason for Philadelphia's loss.
「我得要老實講，我認為轉折點是，我不知道怎麼說，就是那時我們有個沒人守的機會以
及我們只投進了一顆罰球，」鉛筆說，儘管他沒有點名西門，但是還是特別指出了西門有
機會上籃卻把球傳出去導致了76人輸球。


However, Embiid took to Twitter last week in response to a story about the
status of their relationship, saying he had no issues with Simmons.
不過，上禮拜鉛筆在推特上回應了有關他跟西門的關係，說他跟西門沒有問題。

"Stop using my name to push people's agendas," Embiid tweeted. "I love and

hate drama. I love playing with Ben. Stats don't lie. He's an amazing player
and we all didn't get the job done. It's on me personally. I hope everyone is
back cuz we know we're good enough to win."
「不要再用我的名字好去達成你們的目的了，」鉛筆在推特上寫到。「我喜歡，也討厭抓
馬。我愛跟西門打球，數據是不會說謊的，他就是一個很棒的球員，我們這次都沒有做到
我們該做的。我個人覺得是我的關係，我希望每個人都能回來，因為我們都知道我們是夠
好的，是可以贏球的。」


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推 sy4826951: 歹戲拖棚1F 09/10 11:32
推 ken720331: espn新聞中心報導2F 09/10 11:34
→ laptic: 裡面有寫 Tim Bontemps and Bobby Marks，只是板主沒有放上去3F 09/10 11:35
我把作者補上去
推 sustainer123: 莫雷對決富保羅5F 09/10 11:36
※ 編輯: pneumo (61.222.1.181 臺灣), 09/10/2021 11:37:21
推 hank13241: 雖然是西門表現太爛引起的，不過我覺得七六人管理層也有問題就是了，當初好好談交易不要亂開價，應該早就塵埃落定了6F 09/10 11:37
→ magamanzero: 不能這麼說 鉛筆簽了 西門基本就要等了9F 09/10 11:38
推 chenluyang: 76想用西門換小李或beal？去作夢吧，夢裡什麼都有10F 09/10 11:38
→ magamanzero: 簡單說還沒賣 就如同這篇說的 莫雷不會為交易而交易沒有變數的話 看誰會先屈服吧 (茶11F 09/10 11:38
推 mhkt: 莫雷要交易其實就是看包裹主菜夠不夠出色  不然他也不會貿然出手
況且莫雷面對是富保羅團隊的施壓13F 09/10 11:40
→ hank13241: 然後西門一直搞爛自己價值，站在他的立場這樣才正常到底誰會屈服呢?真的期待16F 09/10 11:40
推 kkevil: 為了保BB跟西門搞走JB，可惜了...18F 09/10 11:41
推 tliu223: 按理來說換以準明星，比如水拉為主的包裹應該比較符合西門現在的身價，不過莫雷可能就是想賭一把有沒有人愿者上鉤。鬧到最后大概兩敗俱傷，西門寧愿被大量罰款也要扛，直到最后被交易；莫雷換不到理想中的籌19F 09/10 11:43
推 mhkt: 他想賭  可是目前的現況太難  沒有球隊願意拿好料來談啊23F 09/10 11:45
→ tliu223: 碼，交易結束后一起下課一鞠躬。25F 09/10 11:45
推 angelne: 客觀來講 莫雷也沒做好他的工作 一直想佔人便宜26F 09/10 11:45
推 kl015013: 寫得不錯27F 09/10 11:45
推 demonh311: 就莫雷找不到盤子交易而已28F 09/10 11:45
→ angelne: 最終就是兩敗俱傷29F 09/10 11:46
→ hank13241: 反正現在也不用期待西門認真打球，反而會期待他進一步擺爛，他現在的目標應該是搞爛自己讓球隊交易，然30F 09/10 11:46
推 mhkt: 不是血流成河  就是快樂分手32F 09/10 11:47
→ hank13241: 後盡可能讓新東家給少一點籌碼，這樣到新球隊才會更有戰力，總之七六人的利益已經與西門無關了33F 09/10 11:47
推 mhkt: 菻H過程遲早也要碰壁  因為西門的表現實在難堪
相信35F 09/10 11:49
推 hank7218: 西門想辦法進入健康管理協議37F 09/10 11:49
推 ghostxx: 莫雷還是想賺，就留著自己用吧38F 09/10 11:50
推 dwiee: 莫雷的做法也沒錯 曾經滄海難為水 可以換可愛/鬍子現在當然看不上一般明星球員了
看富寶羅和莫雷誰忍比較久 沒有西門 76還是能季後賽39F 09/10 11:50
推 LuckyoPuppy: 莫雷的想法很明顯啊，換不到更強戰力更進一步，好歹也要拿幾個首輪，不然賣了幹嘛42F 09/10 11:51
→ hank13241: 我覺得適時認賠也是很重要的，現在搞到兩邊都難堪也不是個辦法44F 09/10 11:52
→ LuckyoPuppy: 會這樣想很正常吧，只是西門發現了之後搞逼宮這套46F 09/10 11:52
推 mhkt: 莫雷在火箭時期老早就把交易的架構跟規模越搞越大……
之後也因為配合老闆避稅 不惜貼首輪去當交易添頭47F 09/10 11:52
推 dw1012: Morey跟富保都是喜歡用強硬手段的50F 09/10 11:52
→ hank13241: 如果莫雷看得上首輪早就換了，最早傳的國王灰狼每個51F 09/10 11:53
→ dw1012: 加上西門還是完整四年約 搞不好會僵持很久52F 09/10 11:53
→ mhkt: 現在莫雷的立場簡單明瞭  沒有好的包裹是不會出手53F 09/10 11:53
→ ghostxx: 現在就是看富保跟莫雷鬥，看誰要開首例54F 09/10 11:53
→ hank13241: 麻都要給首輪，但莫雷要的是核心+3個以上的首輪，擺明搶劫當然沒人要換55F 09/10 11:53
→ mhkt: 兩個強硬派對決  下場就是兩敗俱傷57F 09/10 11:54
推 MK47: 換哈登的時候七六人提供的包裹有包含西門 結果火箭拒絕了58F 09/10 11:54
推 jyekid: 推 翻譯 開價本來就會報高給人殺價了60F 09/10 11:54
推 f77928: 去年鬍子鬧吹密期間也很搞笑，一堆人因為指責職業態度認為提出什麼交易籌碼都虧，事後來看就是抱著普通貨色孤芳自賞61F 09/10 11:54
→ dw1012: 因為Embiid簽DVPE 一年內不能交易 所以Morey沒在怕64F 09/10 11:55
推 black2453: 76人一直在等小李或Beal喊交易啊 可是沒等到65F 09/10 11:55
→ hank13241: 鬍子交易下家不一樣啊，要西門的都是要搶季後賽的66F 09/10 11:56
推 mhkt: 火箭拒絕是  火箭老闆不爽莫雷啊……  並非包裹不夠吸引人67F 09/10 11:56
→ hank13241: 你把下家的核心掏空了，最後還是得重建，所以他們可能願意付出選秀權，但核心不可能給69F 09/10 11:56
推 dwiee: 我記得好像卡在76不想包小醬 老闆不爽也是主因71F 09/10 11:57
推 ghostdeityj: 推翻譯72F 09/10 11:58
推 mhkt: 不只西門+3首輪  連那年輕小將都要包下去
反正就算你願意包  火箭老闆也不會點頭成交
純粹就是抬價用73F 09/10 11:58
推 kuloda: 76人擺爛，籃球之神也無法支持，這幾年動盪沒話說啦76F 09/10 12:02
推 cama: 賽季時老河應該鼓勵西門多投籃而非護航他不出手也能贏球 讓炸彈越滾越大 結果被淘汰就不演了77F 09/10 12:03
推 lianhua: 吉巴真的狂XD79F 09/10 12:05
→ FOB5566: 目標爭冠的球隊不會有人想出大籌碼換西門80F 09/10 12:05
→ hank13241: 西門只有要拚季後賽的球隊要是無庸置疑的，所以你要81F 09/10 12:06
→ FOB5566: 季後賽邊緣的球隊也不太可能為了換西門出太多主力吧82F 09/10 12:06
→ hank13241: 他們的核心球員那他們有換跟沒換又沒差，自然不會做這種交易83F 09/10 12:06
推 Leaflock: 哈哈哈每則文章都要用那張照片就是了85F 09/10 12:06
推 Altair: 推 翻譯86F 09/10 12:07
→ FOB5566: 重建隊更不可能為了換西門來刷數據付出一大堆籌碼87F 09/10 12:08
推 Leaflock: 上賽季Harden用健康協議當作消極手段滿聰明的 避免了很多衝突 西門現在沒辦法用這個方法了88F 09/10 12:12
推 waijr: 也太沒有職業道德 要是每個人都這樣 NBA 還要打嗎？90F 09/10 12:13
→ FOB5566: 最主要還是當初被BB寵壞了91F 09/10 12:14
→ waijr: 建議全球團默契封殺 長痛不如短痛92F 09/10 12:14
推 asdfzx: 鬍子那筆，主因是火箭不想跟莫雷做交易93F 09/10 12:14
推 markvend: 我只知道76不急94F 09/10 12:15
推 hsnut27: 全球團應該默契封殺富保羅吧...95F 09/10 12:15
推 Maxhuge: 這個年代誰要不會投籃的控衛 西門人生我看難有好結局96F 09/10 12:16
推 rayisgreat: ㄎㄎ98F 09/10 12:16
→ kkjjkkjj: 76人自己開價太高吧99F 09/10 12:19
推 OyAlbert: 76人是一定得認賠了，端看要虧多少，其實送西門去天賦狼是最好的選擇，公務員隊友、沒季後壓力、吸引不到大咖所以擺爛也能吃到溢價約，但天賦狼的包不知道莫雷要不要275F 09/10 22:01
推 ocean0817: 就是富保集團和幕後黑手在撐腰，所以這咖才這麼囂張279F 09/10 22:26
噓 TsukimiyaAyu: 協尋查核中心280F 09/10 22:37
噓 HsiangFly: 所以擺爛還是對球員有利 真爽 爛聯盟281F 09/10 23:09
→ ciafbi007: curry 打成surry282F 09/11 09:47

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