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作者 azlbf (上邪!我欲與君相知)
標題 [外絮] LBJ打C? 湖人可能有所作為
時間 Tue Jan  4 11:08:43 2022



https://www.si.com/nba/2021/12/29/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-plays-center
LeBron James at center is best path for Lakers - Sports Illustrated
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Los Angeles experimented with James at center in its win against the Rockets. Is this the best path forward? ...

 

LeBron at Center? Lakers Might Be On to Something

LBJ打中鋒? 湖人可能有點作為

作者:ROHAN NADKARNI

Los Angeles experimented with James at center in its win against the Rockets. Is this the best path forward?

湖人在打贏火箭的比賽讓LBJ扛C ,這是正確的方向?

Necessity is the mother of all lineup changes. In the midst of a five-game losing streak, an injury to Anthony Davis and ineffective play from veteran bigs DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard, the Lakers started LeBron James at center on Tuesday night. The result? A 32-11-11 triple double for LeBron, a much-needed win for the Lakers and perhaps most importantly, a few positive signs in the shot diet of James.

因為5連敗、AD受傷 兩位中鋒無所發揮的情況,LBJ作為中鋒於週二出賽,結果如何? 32-11-11 大三元摘下湖人急需的勝利。更重要的是LBJ在出手選擇上更為積極 。

A brief look at LeBron’s counting stats this season wouldn’t raise any eyebrows. Despite all of the struggles for the Lakers, James’s basic box score is very LeBronian. For the season, James is averaging 27.6 points, 7.0 rebounds, and 6.7 assists a night. His points per game would actually be his highest since his final year in Miami, though LeBron is getting a little boost in that department by playing his most minutes a night in a Los Angeles uniform. Peek a little closer at the numbers and you’ll
see James is shooting 7.5 threes per game, while his free-throw attempts have dipped to a would-be career low of 5.4.

LBJ目前的數據不會引起什麼特別的關注,儘管湖人表現掙扎,但LBJ依舊還是那個LBJ ,場均27.6 /6.7/7

這是他離開邁阿密後的最高得分(翻譯此篇時得分已經被推高為28.5 )

雖然增加出場時間也是原因之一(比去年多打3.5分鐘)

但如果你仔細看,他每場投7.5個三分(翻譯時為7.9)而罰球數量也降低

One of the more interesting long-term developments of James’s career has been his embrace of the three. Remember, this was someone who in his first Finals was basically being dared to shoot by the Spurs. (A Finals that now took place nearly a decade and a half ago, but still.) The book on James was always to concede jumpers, except now at 37-years-old, he’s much more effective at making defenses pay with his shot. But are those threes worth it if they come at the expense of James shooting at the rim?

在LBJ的生涯中有趣的一點是他對三分球的掌握。讓我們回憶一下他的第一個總冠(被馬刺守死  https://vault.si.com/vault/2007/06/18/taking-care-of-business
Taking Care of Business - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com
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The 2007 NBAFinals has a family feel. First, there's the kinship between the twostaffs--Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown worked for, and general ...

 

而且他提到LBJ的文章也強調他要提升自己的投射,除了他已經37歲,他現在的武器能更好的讓防守者付出代價,但考慮到犧牲他強勢的籃下進攻,這些三分是否值得?

According to NBA.com’s shot tracking data, LeBron is shooting only 40.2% of his field goal attempts within 10 feet this season. That’s the lowest frequency recorded by the data, which goes back to 2014. Through 2020, that number was almost always at, near or above 50%, a testament to James’s ability and will to get into the paint or within a CDC-discouraged distance of the rim.

根據NBA.com的數據,LBJ在10呎的投射命中率只有40%,是他在14年後的最低命中,而在2020年 他的命中則保持接近50%。

James is currently shooting well enough from beyond the arc that his 58.6% effective field goal percentage is his highest mark as a Laker. (Of all players launching at least 10 shots a night, LeBron is 11th in EFG%.) But James routinely used to be in the 60s in effective shooting, including his last two years in Cleveland as well as his final year in Miami. And that’s where his playing at center, which has already been beneficial for the Lakers, could get LeBron some even easier looks moving forward.

而LBJ的投射有效命中率EFG%則有58.6% 是湖人最好的。(在所有NBA每場出手10次以上的球員排11 ,譯者翻譯時已上升到6)這就是他在中鋒時的進攻表現,這對湖人更有利,可以讓LBJ打的更輕鬆。

LeBron performs really well when asked to function as a big. According to NBA.com, James generates 1.57 points per possession when acting as the roll man in a pick-and-roll, but it’s a play he runs only 2.4% of the time on offense. (Against Houston, there were two instances in the final two minutes when James set a screen for Westbrook and then rolled to the hoop for an easy dunk.) Meanwhile, James also produces 1.09 points per possession when he posts up, a figure higher than the likes of Joel Embiid
and Kevin Durant, or even his teammate Anthony Davis. But James often doesn’t have the room to operate on the block with other bigs on the floor. Against the Rockets, there were multiple instances of LeBron either catching the ball on the block with the rest of the Lakers around the perimeter, or him being able to seal his man and call for the ball literally in the middle of the paint.

被要求打C的時候,LBJ打的更好更輕鬆。在每次發起擋拆時可以得到1.57分,但在進攻端他只有2.4%的時間需要跑動,而同時他在擋拆後籃下得分也來到1.09,高於死神KD跟鉛筆Embiid甚至是他的隊友AD(我查了一下 是「這2年的AD」)

後面那段我看不懂,我的理解是雖然因為火鍋或大個子的封鎖,他沒有太多操作空間。他常常在禁區接球後,而他的隊友在外圍等待出手機會。而他能突破封鎖或是傳球出去放找空檔冷箭。

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搭配前後文 ,我的理解是湖人讓LBJ從禁區接球發起進攻,遠比禁區屯一堆肉棒來的好發揮,他可以在肘區選擇進攻、幫西河掩護、為其他射手製造機會。然後LBJ減少大量跑動,減少體力消耗。這某方面是一種逆點名的打法,只要對位沒辦法1:1守住LBJ就會製造更多的包夾,這也意味夠多的空檔。跟LBJ在騎士從外圍跑動點名是完全不同的打法。

這操作有夠潮,一獸四射的進化版。

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而這操作可以幫助進攻排名25的湖人在進攻端更加輕鬆。

The Lakers as a whole are so much more aesthetically pleasing to watch when the offense isn’t cramped, and the numbers bear it out. When LeBron and Russ are on the floor, they have a 97.8 offensive rating (yuck) when paired with Jordan, a 107.1 offensive rating when paired with Howard, but a 113.9 mark when none of Jordan, Howard or Davis are on the floor—or the equivalent of this season’s second-best offense in the league.

當空間不在侷促的時候,湖人的進攻美學開始體現,而數據證明了這一點。LBJ與西河皆在場,若場上還有DAJ他們的進攻消率是可撥的97、如果換成魔獸也只有107

但他們的三個大個都不在場時,湖人的進攻效率高達113.9 AKA 聯盟第二好的進攻水準 。

後面就是講這是因為AD不在時沒有辦法的辦法


但看起來AD回來之後很可能在進攻時這種打法,今年的AD在45度接球實在有夠雷,但在防守端AD還是可以提供幫助

簡單說湖人的小球跟普通人的小球不太一樣 。

反而可以保護LBJ而不是的巨量消耗他

所以防守端LBJ放棄一些、減少碰撞應該是球隊共識。

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robinnibor: 操死老漢1F 01/04 11:09
rs6000: 進攻美學...2F 01/04 11:11
abc1599: 字母哥也只有在關鍵時刻才打C現在要這樣操37歲老漢3F 01/04 11:11
Leaflock: 我疼千古奇冤5F 01/04 11:11
okamifang: 保護老漢X,數據刷更漂亮O6F 01/04 11:11
ruiun: 反正這是湖人跟老詹的選擇.....7F 01/04 11:12
abcde010710: 西區季後賽+附加賽球隊很多禁區很硬的8F 01/04 11:12
lillardfor3: 防守端放棄一些就是場場30+輸球 砍30吐259F 01/04 11:12
mhkt: LBJ轉控場不是更好……  場場C以為能把把carry嗎10F 01/04 11:12
VeryGoodBoy: 想起龜龜在火箭的終極五小11F 01/04 11:12
gackt770414: 湖人去打D還比較快. 這季可以回家了12F 01/04 11:13
mariandtmac: 現在就是撐到AD回來啊13F 01/04 11:13
evangelew: 也就是AD回來後 LBJ在進攻端打C 防守端的C位交給AD14F 01/04 11:13
drcula: 就是不進禁區的C15F 01/04 11:13
evangelew: 或其它人16F 01/04 11:13
live147222: 誰叫有一個控衛破壞進攻空間 根本上不了中鋒17F 01/04 11:13
matsuwu: 進攻美學(x 操死老漢(o18F 01/04 11:14
ramirez: 減少跑動 但禁區肉搏衝撞有比較好嗎??19F 01/04 11:14
azlbf: 原文也提到對金塊、爵士、76應該不會這樣打20F 01/04 11:14
gtr22101361: 為了空間犧牲防守 有個傢伙需要改變21F 01/04 11:14
matsuwu: 這樣打當然ok,但哪個人會讓37歲老漢這樣打39分鐘22F 01/04 11:15
XSR300: 幫你畫重點「防守端減少RMBJ消耗是球隊共識」 散步沒有錯!!!24F 01/04 11:15
azlbf: 但也可以想到對上這陣容的湖人 對面中鋒都會升級成MVP等級26F 01/04 11:15
matsuwu: 還有那個龜陣容,居然寧願上THT瓜中鋒,也不願意把THT換DH28F 01/04 11:16
mhkt: 明知道禁區碰撞加速損耗  也在所不惜嗎……30F 01/04 11:16
jyekid: 不然要輸球嗎31F 01/04 11:16
azlbf: 是減少跑動的同時也減少碰撞32F 01/04 11:16
magamanzero: 但看比賽只有更累 沒有更輕鬆 這是只看BOX?33F 01/04 11:16
matsuwu: 有那個瓜中鋒陣容,讓人感覺根本不是這些理論。就單純只想為龜拉空間34F 01/04 11:16
azlbf: 可以參考湖狼的比賽36F 01/04 11:17
magamanzero: 現在的中鋒跑動也不會少太多 一堆能長距離投射的37F 01/04 11:17
YOYOISGOOD: 不是有簽魔獸和喬丹 幹嘛要lbj打c 笑翻38F 01/04 11:17
mhkt: 總覺得這樣的上場時間  遲早會出事……39F 01/04 11:17
seguignol: 如果是說幫龜用空間 那龜下場休息時候 怎不用中鋒40F 01/04 11:17
azlbf: Reid打的像宰制NBA的中鋒就是後果42F 01/04 11:18
magamanzero: 更何況現在湖人的破防守 你中鋒還想省力?43F 01/04 11:18
live147222: 而且幫龜拉空間以後他還會一直上籃放槍 根本...44F 01/04 11:18
downtoearth: 進攻端 打C 對LBJ是減少消耗沒錯 現在隊伍中的C45F 01/04 11:18
brian040818: 我疼根本先知 那時候也是傷兵潮46F 01/04 11:18
magamanzero: 灰狼要是外線正常一點 湖人就去了...47F 01/04 11:18
seguignol: 龜又不是不能搭配傳統中鋒(水行俠、Gafford)48F 01/04 11:18
magamanzero: 那叫賭博 而且LBJ也沒有省到力49F 01/04 11:19
downtoearth: 除了少數幾隻 對位遇上LBJ 都是被戲弄的分50F 01/04 11:19
matsuwu: 為了空間消耗老漢,看到的是愚蠢快攻上籃,超傻眼51F 01/04 11:19
live147222: 那你有沒有發現搭水行俠和加福幾輪遊,你龜壓縮空間是影響整隊進攻 不是說你龜能打就好53F 01/04 11:19
qwe12345100: 想要累死姆斯是嗎55F 01/04 11:20
matsuwu: 再說老詹下去後,龜龜明明就能搭DH死都不用56F 01/04 11:20
downtoearth: LBJ進攻時 沉到肘區 不用接球也能製造巨大威脅57F 01/04 11:20
mhkt: 西河進攻把握度高一點的話  就不用這樣搞這種五小加速損耗58F 01/04 11:20
magamanzero: 進攻是省了 防守加回來 除非你每球都不卡位也不搶版60F 01/04 11:20
azlbf: 換位想,灰狼的外線也可能是因為這陣容被守到不會投球 湖人的外線防守現在是聯盟前幾名的61F 01/04 11:20
downtoearth: 比如把西河換成強哥 強哥在外面持球 LBJ沉到肘區63F 01/04 11:21
magamanzero: 並沒有 外線空檔都幾次了XDDDDDDD
他們就單純鐵而已64F 01/04 11:21
fengey: 好文 但詹酸看不懂只知道刷而已66F 01/04 11:21
azlbf: 灰狼那場有幾個回合是甜瓜打C 但我沒有認真看完整場67F 01/04 11:22
lianhua: 意思就是反正也守不住 那就跟對手拼進攻 當天幾個出手點手感不好就等GG這樣?68F 01/04 11:22
downtoearth: 那湖人進攻還真的活起來了 就是防守一樣破
防守還是得等 AD回來70F 01/04 11:22
matsuwu: 灰狼那場真的是單純鐵,每次灰狼搶走進攻籃板外傳,基本上都是空擋。根本沒人守72F 01/04 11:22
magamanzero: 是更破了 每個打湖人都像是全力打...=.="
簡單說老漢去C 對整個球隊並沒有正分74F 01/04 11:22
holyhelm: 累死老漢  季後賽也只能打包76F 01/04 11:24
matsuwu: 覺得有正分啦,但是打39分鐘,每看一場都超怕爆掉77F 01/04 11:24
xjapan329: 所以AD什麼時候回歸79F 01/04 11:24
findwind0826: 所以他打C其實對他來說更省力 不需要外圍撲防80F 01/04 11:24
downtoearth: 老漢去C 關鍵就變成 持球的 西河....81F 01/04 11:24
joulin: 防守沒有很破阿  聯盟第10左右82F 01/04 11:24
matsuwu: 而且這樣打也是附加賽下去83F 01/04 11:24
joulin: 一直以來破的都是進攻  聯盟第25左右84F 01/04 11:24
findwind0826: 然後他也不需要從外圍發起進攻 在裡面解讀防守就好85F 01/04 11:24
joulin: 所以為了加強進攻 讓LBJ去打C 是一種方法 但就是操86F 01/04 11:25
evangelew: 正分是有啦 但球迷擔憂的不是效率問題 是上年紀的老漢他扛不扛的住 在賽季扛C87F 01/04 11:25
daily07: 打到37歲,才驚覺自己原來是中鋒89F 01/04 11:25
joulin: 死他  讓LBJ打C  我哥又不是第一個想到 問題這該90F 01/04 11:25
matsuwu: 打灰狼打到第三節後半都開始插腰了,灰狼那時候一個擋拆進來就是灌籃91F 01/04 11:25
joulin: 季後賽用 不是例行賽就這樣操 還整場都讓他打C 扯93F 01/04 11:25
findwind0826: 阿反正現在聯盟也沒幾個有料的中鋒94F 01/04 11:25
joulin: 正規中鋒連一點點上場時間都沒有 這太扯95F 01/04 11:25
mhkt: 湖人再這樣搞下去  連附加賽能不能過關都是問題96F 01/04 11:25
downtoearth: AD應該要趁這個機會 多學學LBJ 在肘區怎麼打球97F 01/04 11:25
yellowocean: 這樣消耗真的沒問題?98F 01/04 11:26
matsuwu: 覺得進攻防守,可以掉最近幾場來看。應該攻守不是整季那個數據99F 01/04 11:26
matsuwu: LUE:我是讓老漢先習慣季後賽224F 01/04 12:51
benboy: 湖人的想法消耗LBJ能拼冠也在所不惜!?225F 01/04 12:59
Wb2029T: 他真的很累226F 01/04 13:10
matthew60707: 重點他37歲餒 不是27耶227F 01/04 13:51
a103232: 叫龜龜去抗C算了...228F 01/04 15:32

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