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標題 Re: [情報] Rivers:鉛筆是沒打好 但Tatum也沒打好阿
時間 Wed Jun 14 13:38:48 2023


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Doc Rivers goes inside 76ers' dysfunction: 'Not going to win'
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It was reflection time for Doc Rivers after another second-round playoff exit and dismissal for the Philadelphia 76ers. ...

 

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No. 1, he has to be healthy. In the playoffs and this was the healthiest, but
he still wasn’t 100%. Then No. 2 for Jo, is he’s got to make all his players
 better in the playoffs and Jo, his numbers are unfair, because he’s really
— if you look at his numbers in the last three years in the playoffs,
compared to his regular season numbers, they’re not very good. But a lot of
that is due — the first year I had him he hurts his knee. The next year, he
hits his face and tears ligaments in his hand, and then this year he has a
knee injury and he was never the same once he came back this year. So health
is No. 1.

Then the second thing is Jo and he has the ability, I stayed on him daily. He
has the ability to make his teammates better and when he does it, if you look
at our games this year when he did that and dominated, hard to go away from
Joel Embiid. It really is. He’s just got to do that on a consistent basis.
Not just on the court, but also off the court. Just be around the guys and
spend time with your guys and let them know that you love them because they
love you. And so I thought that Jo in the three years, you can see the growth
there. I think we forget how young he is. We also forget his first two years
he didn’t play and I’m telling you that sets a tone. Like when you miss two
years and you’re sitting there all the time and you get used to not playing
in games. That sets the tone. Ben Simmons went through the same thing. He
missed the first year and so fighting early on when I first got there was huge
. ‘Jo, you need to play tonight. Jo, you can play tonight’ and now he’s up
in games and so he’s doing that. He’s crossed that barrier. The next one
will be making his teammates better. When he does that, it’s gonna be hard to
 stop and I think he will do it. I just think we forget his age and we forget
how we started in this league.



鉛筆不夠健康。我執教的過去三年他一直都帶傷。
帶傷休息太久之後很難找回狀態。


鉛筆需要和隊友相處得更好,幫助他們變得更好。




You can feel it all through the organization and Elton (Brand), when he
brought me in, that’s what he told me like ‘Hey, this is not just about
coaching his team. We’re bringing you in here to change the culture’ and he
meant everywhere and he allowed me to come in and we looked through the whole
organization. I’m talking about trainers, equipment managers, everybody. …
If you’re not on board, if you’re not trying to win and that’s not what you
’re breathing every day. For me, it’s time to go, and I meant that with
everybody in the organization and overall, I thought we were starting to get
it done. You can see the change in the culture, and so I think the growth of
that is there. I think they still have some growth in that department as well.
 Alert is the word I’m using and sometimes you can’t worry about that. You
just got to do your job. You got to worry about the basketball part of it and
that’s the reaction to what everything happens, but their culture has
definitely gotten better. I had a big part in that and now the grow from there
, it still has to get better and if that happens, then they have a chance. If
it doesn’t happen, they’re not gonna win. It has to keep growing.



從我到來開始改變了七六人的文化。

你可以看到了球隊文化的改變。





When I look back on that game, because that was the decider, right? Basketball
-wise, we got to get the ball to Joel more, and trust me, we came out in plays
 where it should have gone there and it just didn’t arrive there, and so
those are big plays. Now listen, Joel was not having a great game, but neither
 was (Jayson) Tatum, and my belief is so that you still go to your guy and you
 keep letting him save the day for you, and I thought we went away from that
and then the second part of the fluky part. Tatum, if you remember the big
play, we gambled on a play somewhere, someone gambled, but I can’t remember
who it was. Maybe Maxey. I don’t even know who it was. Went for a steal, didn
’t get it and they gambled on Jayson Tatum and left him wide open, and he
made a corner in front of the Celtic bench. And that was — it takes these
guys but one shot and that was … and now he’s on. And from that point, we
were dead.



戰術角度來說,我們需要給鉛筆更多球。

很多球本應該到他但是沒有傳到。


雖然他打不好但是我們還是應該把球給到王牌,讓他試圖拯救你。





It was challenging, more because we were fighting two things, and not like
visually fighting, it was James is so good at playing one way, and the way I
believe you have to play to win, in some ways, is different because it’s a
lot of giving up the ball, moving the ball, coming back to the ball. I would
have loved to have him younger, when that was easier for him because giving up
 the ball and getting back the ball is hard. It’s physical, it’s exhausting.
 So, it would have been interesting if I would have had him younger where he
could have done that more. Coming off of dribble handoffs, going downhill. He
didn’t finish as well as he finished because he’s older, and that happens.
So, yeah, at times, to get him to move it and get him to play the way I needed
 him to play. I thought the first half of the year, we were the best team in
the game. I thought James was playing perfect basketball. He was the point
guard of the team. He was still scoring, but he was doing more playmaking and
scoring. Then in the second half, he started scoring more, trying to score
more, and I thought we got stagnant at times. I thought we changed.



執教哈登很困難,很難要求他照我的需要的方式打球。

要是他年輕可能更容易達到我的要求。



他專注得分時,我感覺有時候我們的進攻就停滯了。




You want a guy, and I think James did a little bit of that, like James would
speak up, and so you need that—you need you need another alpha in the room.
So if Jo is not doing something to call Jo on ‘Jo, you gotta do this’ and Jo
 will listen to that.


需要找一個領袖加入。

一個可以提醒鉛筆「你這件事情沒做好」,然後鉛筆會聽的人。




If I could pick the perfect guy without a name, it would be a big point guard
who could score and the reason is we need a playmaker other than Joel and (
Tyrese) Maxey right now is more of a scorer. He’s a downhill scorer with
speed. The dude brings joy to every coach in the room every day like you would
 love Tyrese Maxey just every day being Tyrese Maxey, but when we can free him
 up to just go score and you can make a case like a (Manu) Ginobili who at
times was their point with his passing, gave them toughness, was an attacker,
was great off the ball, but that allowed Tony Parker to just go and be free.
Like someone in that category would be the perfect fit.



七六人需要一個能夠得分的大個子控衛,
需要一個除了鉛筆之外能夠創造進攻機會的球員,


像Manu這種,可傳球,打球強硬,有攻擊能力,又擅長無球的,

就是完美選項。





他的七六人畢業報告



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Re: [情報] Rivers:鉛筆是沒打好 但Tatum也沒打好阿
06-14 13:38 LABOYS
magamanzero: 他更年輕給河流帶而不是MDA 鬍子可能沒MVP了 www
比帶後衛 MDA可以屌打河流兩條街1F 06/14 13:39
jackie655279: 懶人包:我帶來改變,但是球員不爭氣3F 06/14 13:41
matsuwu: 這教練可以喊他超爛了吧...到底怎麼一直有工作4F 06/14 13:41
rayisgreat: 一個可以提醒鉛筆「你這件事情沒做好」,然後鉛筆會聽的人。--->有啊不就吉巴,可惜76人想要西門。5F 06/14 13:41
Alipapa: 我很好 都是they... 然後我目前待業中 選我選我~7F 06/14 13:41
magamanzero: 會不會是看到monty那樣 也想要...8F 06/14 13:43
winklly: 靠…他講的這些很多不是教練的工作嗎?9F 06/14 13:43
a22122212: 提醒鉛筆那段 靠北不就你的工作10F 06/14 13:43
sosad0128: 大個子控衛我知道最近有個剛開始回歸練球了11F 06/14 13:44
magamanzero: 提醒鉛筆「你這件事情沒做好」 教練的工作12F 06/14 13:44
www2967: 呵呵 以前有阿 GM選錯人 不過你要全怪哈登不應該13F 06/14 13:44
tomoti: 休息室老將不是有塔客嗎...X!老河又在睜眼說瞎話...14F 06/14 13:44
magamanzero: 提醒鉛筆「你這件事情沒做好」鉛筆不聽 也是你的鍋15F 06/14 13:44
wizmelo: 我感覺他把上節目拿來自薦 所以都講自己好的16F 06/14 13:44
www2967: 你只是要找一個人揹鍋而已17F 06/14 13:45
magamanzero: 鬍子表示:到底是你教練 還是我教練18F 06/14 13:45
brian040818: 球星都不聽我的話 不是我的錯19F 06/14 13:45
Inori0912: 球給金筆也就是打鐵而已20F 06/14 13:46
JusufNurkic: 靠邀啦 提醒鉛筆 和塞球給鉛筆不是你的問題嗎21F 06/14 13:46
Verlander35: 還好太陽沒選他XD22F 06/14 13:46
KhePri: 都是they的錯23F 06/14 13:46
Alipapa: 老河:要有人提醒鉛筆 還是老河:大家球要給到鉛筆啊~24F 06/14 13:46
aegisWIsL: 原來鬍子是又矮、又沒攻擊能力、還不會傳球的後衛25F 06/14 13:46
nuggets0916: 鬍子都救了你兩場 還想怎樣26F 06/14 13:46
Alipapa: 只有鉛筆才能拯救大家~27F 06/14 13:46
magamanzero: 陽迷應該鬆了一口氣28F 06/14 13:47
nuggets0916: 而且鬍子算是滿配合的吧 去76之後出手數少這麼多29F 06/14 13:47
icou: they的錯 END
等會補推30F 06/14 13:47
magamanzero: 聯盟助攻王被教練拔球權去無球  www32F 06/14 13:47
Inori0912: 球給鬍子還比給金筆強多了 金筆就是被登餵出來的33F 06/14 13:48
icou: 最軟蛋的那種 老實說就靠膚色和GAP34F 06/14 13:48
Ryo5566: 換個有擔當的教練一定不會比雞湯王差35F 06/14 13:48
bobby94507: 哈登不就是36F 06/14 13:48
lafeelbarth: 難怪鬍子心灰意冷37F 06/14 13:48
magamanzero: 至少是要他滾了 看還有沒機會38F 06/14 13:49
im31519: 意思就是鉛筆做錯而河流提醒他不聽啊~39F 06/14 13:50
iamnotme: 我很強 有問題的是前公司 請給我工作40F 06/14 13:50
StNeverRush: 教練不就該提醒嗎 球沒傳到不會設計戰術嗎 你是心理輔導師是吧41F 06/14 13:50
ABiao0220: 最過譽的教頭43F 06/14 13:51
auriga: 鬍子還降薪...44F 06/14 13:51
sasakihiroto: 提醒鉛筆?那不就吉巴?45F 06/14 13:51
librabay: 看起來老河真的鳥46F 06/14 13:51
alwaysstrong: 都是他們的錯47F 06/14 13:52
BibbyMike: 都講成這樣了 鬍子還不走就被人看不起48F 06/14 13:52
icou: 真的是一鍋爛飯 滾的人鳥 留下的人也鳥49F 06/14 13:52
eric20601: 怎麼傳到王牌手中也是戰術啊 怎麼好像都是球員問題一樣50F 06/14 13:53
BibbyMike: 能把哈燈臭成這樣 這河流也是不簡單52F 06/14 13:54
EZ78: 要提醒鉛筆 不就是你的功用嗎= =
他到底是怎麼推諉卸責推到最後顯得自己無能的53F 06/14 13:54
zzz076: 好拉 都是they的錯55F 06/14 13:55
yellowboy: 問題是manu連popo也控制不了 一樣會像哈登不打戰術56F 06/14 13:56
samuncle123: 翻譯:我試圖改變球隊文化   但他們就是不爭氣57F 06/14 13:56
Notif520: 好啦 都是they的錯58F 06/14 13:59
a28200266: 需要能傳球 能得分 有身高 打球強硬又能無球的 還要領袖講話鉛筆會聽 阿不就吉巴59F 06/14 14:00
NudieJeans: 半瓶水!!61F 06/14 14:00
a28200266: 誰叫76人當初不留吉巴 根本就在講他62F 06/14 14:00
Duncan7406: 老河不意外 爭功諉過最行63F 06/14 14:01
RandyOrlando: 難怪鬍子想走 還真的不能怪他64F 06/14 14:01
keysers10: 確實 神之子留著肯定跟老爸一樣練出皮朋來65F 06/14 14:01
lovingyou: 這意思就等於金筆和哈登都不聽他的吧,那當啥教練?66F 06/14 14:02
xd987: 就是要一個球員休息室老大哥啦 有很難懂嗎
就熱火哈隊長那樣67F 06/14 14:02
Alipapa: 塔克:???69F 06/14 14:03
nekoten: 他講的那種領袖就吉巴跟活佛啊 76都曾經擁有 高個子控衛就西門70F 06/14 14:04
a28200266: 塔克牌子小鉛筆不聽吧 被活佛守死塔克去激勵他鉛筆還一副要死不活的樣子72F 06/14 14:04
roger2623900: 哈登都傳到變助攻王了還沒聽喔? 還是老河希望的哈74F 06/14 14:05
julian42: 休息室領袖建議嘴綠75F 06/14 14:05
roger2623900: 登是得分0助攻20的控衛?76F 06/14 14:05
kyoko3678906: 改變文化 是改成甩鍋文化嗎77F 06/14 14:05
a28200266: 當初放拖把留吉巴不敢說奪冠 東冠應該是有了 管理78F 06/14 14:05
PIPPP4: 沒有,當時他們要的好像是拖把79F 06/14 14:05
a28200266: 層自以為 呵80F 06/14 14:05
sunti0519: 要不是有超賽那一冠,這咖早就沒工作了81F 06/14 14:06
ken720331: RR可能才是那時候綠賽的總教練82F 06/14 14:08
Duncan7406: 是說以他的要求現在檯面上沒一支球隊能滿足他吧83F 06/14 14:08
Ligamenta: 大個子控衛,不就西門84F 06/14 14:09
Duncan7406: 從快艇到76人都是高級帳號了 還能整天都是they的錯85F 06/14 14:09
deadair: 明明贏的場次還要靠哈登爆發拿分86F 06/14 14:10
WinShot: 超賽那時候RR整天跟河流吵架87F 06/14 14:11
Duncan7406: 他的心目中鬍子不如Manu真的是蠻可笑的88F 06/14 14:11
WinShot: RR對很多河流的戰術都不滿意89F 06/14 14:11
babyalley: 只能說老河你還是走吧 這樣真的不行
當然我也覺得76高層也是爛啦 不要吉巴要拖把跟西門90F 06/14 14:13
Mradult: 最後一個就姆斯吧,打替補出全力還可以92F 06/14 14:15
babyalley: 算了 老河你還找下一份工作吧 我相信還是有球隊願意給老河當總教練XD93F 06/14 14:16
mhkt: 老河是在推卸責任嘛……95F 06/14 14:16
CMPunk: 鉛筆會聽話的領袖?阿靠北不就士官長
鉛筆現在還是把jb當大哥在看待吧96F 06/14 14:17
mhkt: 季後賽鉛筆受傷  還要靠鬍子爆發才能延長戰線…… 老河你真的被解僱也是剛好而已98F 06/14 14:18
olin7745: 球三全部符合 缺點是痛痛271F 06/15 12:59
shooooooboom: 鬍子還要被你們兩個媽寶嫌喔272F 06/15 15:07
kenny851117: 鬍子比鬼禿還全能 你還能嫌呀273F 06/15 16:16
sendoh07: 這教練真的爛274F 06/15 19:58
flowerabby01: 他到底怎麼一直有工作的275F 06/15 20:28

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