看板 NBA作者 ZIDENS (問這麼多幹麻)標題 [討論] Reddit兩年前熱議-槍西操控牌局時間 Thu Oct 23 21:36:00 2025
https://reurl.cc/DOWNom
Discussion starts at roughly 22:15 in this podcast from May 16.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7qXLHPnAUr9Lj9qAHOIqPF
Can also be found here on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/live/G-TKR5ca5jI?feature=share&t=1635
For context this is a poker-focused podcast by Matthew Berkey (a well-known
professional poker player for 20+ years who lives in Vegas) and his close
friends with whom he runs a poker coaching company.
Transcript in comments.
這是一檔以撲克為主題的Podcast,由 Matthew Berkey(一位居住在拉斯維加斯、擁有
20多年經驗的知名職業撲克玩家)和他的好友們主講,他們共同經營著一家撲克教練公司
文字記錄見評論。
Matt: There are a lot of stories about it. There's one that cropped up, must'
ve been like 5 years ago, 2019ish I think? 4 years ago? Where there was this
game, it started in LA and then it came to Vegas for a few days, and it was
all built around Chauncey Billups. And I had heard about the game, and the
person who told me about it was like "Look, I know the game runners, I am
telling you 100% this game is on the up-and-up." And I was like "Well, I know
a lot of the people that are involved and I am telling you 100% that it is NOT
on the up-and-up."
Matt: 關於這件事有很多故事。其中有一個,大概發生在五年前吧,我想是2019年?或者
四年前?有一場遊戲,先是在洛杉磯開始,然後來到拉斯維加斯待了幾天,整個遊戲都是
圍繞 Chauncey Billups 的。我有聽說過這場遊戲,而告訴我的那個人說:「你看,我認
識這場遊戲的主辦者,我百分之百保證這場遊戲是公平的。」我當時就說:「好吧,我認
識很多參與的人,我百分之百可以告訴你,這場遊戲一點都不公平。」
Matt: We kind of went back and forth and I agreed that I just wasn't going to
go play. But I had some friends who went and played it both in LA and in Vegas
, and it obviously was like, for sure confirmed to be cheated. Like people who
clearly didn't even understand the rules of No Limit Hold'em are just jamming
hundreds of big blinds with a gutty and then just drilling it.1 [laughs] Only
the pros are losing...
Matt: 我們來來回回討論了一下,我最後同意我就不去玩了。但我有一些朋友去玩了,不
管是在洛杉磯還是拉斯維加斯,結果很明顯,這場遊戲確實是作弊的。那些根本不懂 No
Limit Hold'em 規則的人,就隨便用一手「gutty」推入上百個大盲注,然後就這樣贏了
。[笑] 只有專業玩家在輸……
Conrad: How was it figured out?
Conrad: 那是怎麼被發現的?
Matt: I can't remember if this was the game where...
Matt: 我記不清這是不是那場賭局……
Conrad: The loudspeaker? No... that was Pierce [referring to a different
cheating story involving Paul Pierce]
Conrad: 用擴音器?不……那是 Pierce 的事 [指另一個涉及 Paul Pierce 的作弊事件]
Matt: Oh, okay. Well it's still, it's not like Chauncey and Pierce don't know
each other [laughs]. I feel like it's probably the same crowd overlapping
there, but maybe not. Either way, it was basically confirmed amongst all the
pros that the game was cheated but here's just no recourse. And just, you know
, they got absolutely flayed.
Matt: 喔,好吧。不過其實 Chauncey 和 Pierce 應該是認識的 [笑]。我覺得可能是同
一群人參與,或者也未必。不管怎麼說,所有專業玩家基本上都確認了這場遊戲是作弊的
,但就是沒有辦法追究。而且,你知道的,他們完全被打得慘兮兮。
Conrad: Yeah, there's no recourse in a lot of these situations.
Conrad: 對啊,在很多這種情況下是沒有追究辦法的。
Matt: Well it's tough too whenever you're dealing with someone high profile
like that, because they carry a lot of weight and hold a lot of power, so all
you can do is unite together and threaten to publicly out him or extort him in
some sort of capacity, in which case... good luck. It's like, this guy beat
rape charges. You think he cares about you calling him a cheater?
Matt: 當你面對這種高知名度的人也很難,因為他們有很大的影響力和權力,所以你唯一
能做的就是聯合起來,威脅要公開揭發他,或者用某種方式敲詐他,但這種情況……祝你
好運吧。這個人都打贏了強姦案,你覺得他會在意你說他作弊嗎?
Conrad: Yeah, I mean it's like... most people cheat and come prepared for a
situation when it does happen. So you just can't really out them. When they're
there, you don't want to call them out in public--
Conrad: 對,我是說……大部分人作弊時通常都已經有準備了。所以你真的很難揭發他們
。當他們在場的時候,你也不想當眾指責他們——
https://x.com/dhookstead/status/1981347049887973588
然後這位說
Chauncey Billups' arrest is tied to an alleged illegal poker scheme involving
La Cosa Nostra crime families (the mafia) and "rigged shuffling machines,"
according to a source with direct knowledge.
More arrests expected, though timeline unclear.
I’m told Billups’ arrest is separate from Terry Rozier’s arrest, though
there may be overlap.
據直接知情人士透露,昌西· 比盧普斯的被捕與一樁涉嫌非法撲克陰謀有關,該陰謀涉及
黑手黨犯罪家族和「操縱洗牌機」。
預計會有更多人被捕,但具體時間尚不清楚。
我聽說比盧普斯被捕與特里羅齊爾被捕是分開的,儘管可能有重疊。
:OOOOOOOOO
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推 Xration: 運動員這麼愛打德州撲克喔1F 10/23 21:37
推 huyee: 丁特的局8F 10/23 21:40
→ VL1003: 乾不乾淨不知道,但這內容就代表他跟開賭場的一夥。而且時間從兩年前開始的話,不知道坑了多少錢。10F 10/23 21:40
推 kobest: FBI逮捕31人12F 10/23 21:42
推 gm79227922: 等等 強姦案是怎麼回事 槍西還有著出版?
還有這齣嗎13F 10/23 21:43
→ VL1003: 那個反而更多人知道吧...16F 10/23 21:44
推 sampsonlu919: 槍西性醜聞是在新人年 當時他根本不在活塞 更不用說成為一線球星了17F 10/23 21:45
→ ZIDENS: 1997年 阿拓聘任他的時候我記得還有被挖出來過20F 10/23 21:46
→ VL1003: 對阿,剛找他接阿拓教練的時候被挖出來鞭。21F 10/23 21:47
→ ZIDENS: 他其實是兩年前被爆料四年前做局23F 10/23 21:48
推 JackSmith: 槍西:開個二給他,讓他贏莊家一百元 (X24F 10/23 21:48
→ ZIDENS: 所以時間線可能更長25F 10/23 21:48
推 Xration: 小平叔玩橋牌都要靠他26F 10/23 21:50
噓 rex9999: 這貨是偷到FMVP才有退休背號27F 10/23 21:51
推 OsmanGo: 等等 老皮又是什麼故事29F 10/23 21:57
→ ZIDENS: 真假 有這種東西
我也想看34F 10/23 22:01
推 Q12345Q: 聯合莊家嗎 NBA瓜哥 欸?36F 10/23 22:01
→ ZIDENS: Damon Jones也被抓了 沒人發38F 10/23 22:03
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→ VL1003: YT 打 Billups FBI 就有了阿41F 10/23 22:03
推 ignativs: 難怪NBC說轉播很難賺回來 因為賭客看結果就好43F 10/23 22:05
推 YummyCurry: NBA教練搞賭場詐賭嗎?XDDD 這可以拍電影了吧44F 10/23 22:06
→ ZIDENS: 好像也沒說啥46F 10/23 22:07
推 krajicek: NBC轉播才第一年就發生這種事,真的會哭死49F 10/23 22:08
→ YummyYummy: 孔雀台這40年內哪個決策不蠢 一堆收視王牌都沒有 體52F 10/23 22:10
→ ZIDENS: 美東時間早上十點會公布的樣子54F 10/23 22:11
→ ZIDENS: ......阿不就剛剛 沒公布啊 騙我57F 10/23 22:11
→ ZIDENS: 剪頭髮的茉莉61F 10/23 22:13
→ ZIDENS: Damon Jones後面那兩個聽不懂64F 10/23 22:18
→ ZIDENS: 又一堆不認識的66F 10/23 22:19
推 ctmctw: Terry rozier還有MPJ弟弟70F 10/23 22:20
推 ChrisDavis: 這個應該是非法賭局涉及黑道的,不然吉巴上直播打早就被抓了75F 10/23 22:21
→ ZIDENS: 可能有些名字不是助教 吧77F 10/23 22:22
推 dragon803: 參加合法賭局沒問題啊 是賭NBA+參加非法的有問題78F 10/23 22:22
推 ctmctw: 槍西要88了79F 10/23 22:23
→ ZIDENS: 真的是操控洗牌機80F 10/23 22:23
推 gohole: 槍西Toyz82F 10/23 22:24
推 Beltran: 就詐賭啊 這大條了84F 10/23 22:25
→ ZIDENS: 程式 機器 全都有了 涼透86F 10/23 22:25
→ ZIDENS: 透視牌桌
有發牌機+洗牌程式+透視牌桌92F 10/23 22:26
→ Beltran: 詐賭涉幾千萬鎂的 沒救了94F 10/23 22:27
推 krajicek: 真的是一世英名付諸流水,不愛惜羽毛96F 10/23 22:27
→ VL1003: 其實他就是靠一世英名才玩這齣的,人品就那樣。98F 10/23 22:28
→ krajicek: 球員生涯賺這麼多,又有教練這份工作,幹嘛還要搞事99F 10/23 22:28
推 XUPJPVUP: 一堆名字,沒有圖片搭配,差評100F 10/23 22:28
推 Mikufans: 水原那個都可以拍影劇+電影一條龍了,槍西這個要不101F 10/23 22:28
推 Yuaaa: 剩下感覺都不是球員了102F 10/23 22:28
推 XUPJPVUP: 好歹配個螢幕,原來美國講案子也是這麼乾113F 10/23 22:33
→ ZIDENS: 檢察官說four more nba player?115F 10/23 22:34
推 r44621: 他是說前NBA球員117F 10/23 22:36
→ ZIDENS: 喔 former118F 10/23 22:36
→ youtoo: 小時候以為只有海珊才會操縱牌局,沒想到中年可以看到槍西表演123F 10/23 22:42
推 interestbi: 原來一開始爆的就是有名的 沒聽到認識的其他人125F 10/23 22:43
推 gp03dan: 悲哀,FMVP搞成這樣126F 10/23 22:44
推 XUPJPVUP: 這個已經不是詐欺,他就是犯罪集團一份子了127F 10/23 22:44
→ VL1003: 瓜哥從小到大看的多了,反而知道很多東西不能碰。130F 10/23 22:52
推 kingbar815: 真的這些籃球員去聽聽瓜哥進名人堂那段話...132F 10/23 22:53
推 bestteam: 社會瓜是混兄弟情的 這種下場搞錢他才不會做133F 10/23 22:53
推 kingbar815: 德撲這種就是跟賭錢有掛勾的,自己在家玩一玩就得了運動員想碰等退休大把時間讓你玩134F 10/23 22:54
推 Y1999: 瓜哥談的是人脈,不是什麼地下收入136F 10/23 22:55
推 gm79227922: 瓜哥自己賺就很多錢了 知道不能搞這些旁門左道賺137F 10/23 22:55
推 ChrisDavis: 不是不能玩,是不能非法
西河都直接辦慈善撲克大賽了,吉巴上直播桌還bluff138F 10/23 22:58
推 k798976869: 跟Toyz一樣菜雞啊 什麼技巧都不會 又穩穩贏141F 10/23 23:14
推 t0510523: 台灣不是有法院判例 錦標賽合法嗎143F 10/23 23:22
推 rlrbc: 在美國去非法賭場玩就是犯罪,像老巴跟喬神都是去合法賭場145F 10/23 23:40
→ mmk: 美國賭場故事很多,拍成電影會比威漫宇宙更多147F 10/23 23:45
推 rlrbc: 原來槍西是聯合非法賭場搞高科技詐賭149F 10/23 23:57
推 forfree99: 瓜哥不需要搞這個 瓜哥的guts沒這麼low150F 10/23 23:59
推 whhw: 詐賭跟非法賭場哪個重?151F 10/24 00:15
→ ZIDENS: 他是非法賭場詐賭 不用分152F 10/24 00:15
→ Wall62: 槍西太扯了吧153F 10/24 01:27
→ SCLPAL: 怎麼扯到PP了156F 10/24 09:48
推 yeustream: 哇!原來早就在做而且被人看出來了157F 10/24 09:58
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