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作者 E7lijah (InsfirE喚焰)
標題 [情報] GN評測4060Ti數據整理 + 部分嘴砲翻譯
時間 Wed May 24 01:07:16 2023


來源:https://youtu.be/Y2b0MWGwK_U

前面有人先貼了,所以我就補充個數據整理
順便烤個三分熟的肉
GN的嘴砲一直都很好笑,火力又猛,這次也不例外

先上數據
https://i.imgur.com/KnSbvdM.png
[圖]
0代表在誤差範圍內,根本沒差
控制4K遊戲材質載入錯誤應該就是爆VRAM了

以下是一些GN嘴砲的內容
全靠個人英聽+自己翻譯
翻完才想到幹嘛不丟給chatGPT
但已經做了就算了XD

有附上對應的影片章節起始時間
想聽的人再用章節時間標大略找一下

★0:00
2016 called and it wants its resolution back, which is apparently 1080p.
Nvidia, a company that previously paid influencers to make videos about 8K
gaming on 3090 cards, is now marketing its new 400 dollar RTX 4060 [Ti] for
1080p. Great! The RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB is one of the worst GPU launches from
Nvidia that we've ever covered, and we don't want to waste anyone's time
here. So, here's how it scales: It's anywhere from negatively scaled against
the 3060 Ti, or effectively equal once you sort of normalize for error, which
is a really bad place to be, up to maybe 19 or 20% at the very best. And that
is scaling the range of 1080p to 4K. There's a reason Nvidia wants to focus
on 1080p here. We tested all the games that we usually test at 1080, 1440,
and 4K, and as the resolution increases, the performance falls of a cliff and
plummets into oblivion.

2016年在呼喊著它想要要回自己的解析度aka 1080p
NV這公司之前還花錢請名人(指LTT等人)幫它的8K遊戲卡3090打廣告
現在卻用1080p作為4060Ti的行銷標語
4060Ti 8G是我們評測過NV發表的最爛顯卡之一
幫大家省點時間:對比3060Ti,從1080p到4K,它基本打平,最多贏19~20%
老黃要大家專注於1080p不是沒有原因的
隨著遊戲解析度往4K升高,4060Ti的效能直接崩落到虛無幻境

★2:21
Resolution was once the thing that drove sales of the high end. In order to
push high-end, say, 1080 Ti or 20 series sales, the move was towards not just
RT at the time, which wasn't established yet, but rather 4K gaming when
rasterized and that's especially true for something like the 1080 Ti. But as
RT has pushed into the market, and more appropriately, as game developers have
become lacks in optimization for some of the titles that are coming out
today, the resolution argument has fallen off; and instead the focus shifts to
anything else that looks more favorable. That is no longer Nvidia's focus,
and that's fine, but it still has to scale. It's okay for the technological
focus to shift to some other graphics technology that's more relevant or more
interesting or whatever. But it needs to be defended sensibly. And the 3060
Ti equating the 4060 Ti in some of the scenarios, or the two having barely
enough of a gap to justify anything more than overclocking your 3060 Ti,
that's the problem. And AV1 and DLSS3 are basically the only things that prop
up the 40 series 60 SKU as being even the new generation.

遊戲解析度以往是推銷1080Ti或20系高端卡的賣點
尤其是光追技術還不存在的時候
4K光柵化效能是高端卡的賣點
但隨著光追問世,加上更多的是遊戲開發者的破優化
技術力的賣點從解析度轉向其他方面
老黃的焦點不再是解析度,這本身沒問題
但NV還是要有所進步
如果你科技的焦點轉向其他更有用或更有趣的畫質技術(指光追、DLSS)
這當然OK,但仍需要能說服別人你這樣做是合理的
4060Ti只打平、或提升到只比超頻後的3060Ti再強一點的程度,是個大問題
AV1編碼跟DLSS3是唯二讓4060系看起來像新世代產品的東西

★7:12
You actually couldn't get this much generation to generation consistency if
you tried. Nvidia's performance here is phenomenal, very impressive. They
were able to flat line a card from 60 to 60, and show an improvement that
basically amounts to noise. You could overclock a card and get 8%. Even
another 8GB of vram can't save this GPU. Its impotence is insurmountable
from simply vram; it needs more than that.

你只要做任何一點努力
結果都不會是毫無增長的跨代效能
老黃你真的表現得太屌了,屌炸天
NV你們居然能讓跨代60系效能提升值趨近於測量誤差
你拿張卡,超個頻也能提升8%
就算之後出16GB版本也救不了這顯卡
這張卡的爛,只靠加大VRAM是救不回來的

★10:10
(這我就不放原文了)
4K就是車禍現場(train wreck)
Intel Skylake+++ 再現

★11:21
We're at waste of sand levels of bad, and rapidly descending. Soon, it will
be just a waste of molecules.

這是浪費沙子等級的爛,而且還會繼續更爛
不久之後就會變成浪費分子的爛

★14:49
Maybe that's the trick to all of this: The scaling here suggests that if we
just drop the resolution to 360p, maybe 144p, it might be in territory where
we see reasonable generational gains. But right now this truly is reliving
Haswell into Skylake. And if you were there, your know how boring that was,
until Intel had a competitor again. It's the newest high-end 144p gaming
card. Get your Quake and Unreal tournaments ready, here we go.

隨著解析度降低,效能會上升這點
或許就是NV想玩的把戲:
這趨勢告訴我們如果把解析度調到360或144p
4060Ti就可能有顯著跨代進步
(這活像是Haswell到Skylake的年代
如果你體驗過那年代你就知道每年都超無聊
直到i皇重新遇到競爭者)
4060Ti是最新的高階144p顯卡,快準備好你的Quake跟浴血戰場
(這段有夠嗆www)

★15:47
Intel Arc has been below this price class alone for months now and even its
A750, a card now sub-300 dollars, is within 30% of the 4060 Ti. Nvidia is
contributing to one of the best marketing campaigns that Intel could hope
for. After the melting X3D CPUs and this disastrous launch, all Intel has to
do is stay quiet, and its products will sell themselves.

i皇Arc是低於4060Ti價位帶的少數選擇
A750這張比300鎂還便宜的卡都能打到4060Ti 30%以內的差距
NV根本是在幫Intel做最好的宣傳
經歷燒熔X3D跟4060Ti爛到笑的發佈之後
i皇只要不出聲,他的產品就能自己賣的動
(聽到這裡時我直接笑死)

★29:34
DLSS3, while available on the 4060 Ti, is not sufficient to justify its
existence in this capacity. It is a waste of sand.

DLSS3不足以替4060Ti的存在辯護
這張卡就是在浪費沙子
(影片另一處也提到不是每個遊戲都支援DLSS3,更不是每個人都想開啟這功能)

心得:
1080p小贏3060Ti
解析度往上就不行了
硬體規格就半殘
還嘴欠摩爾已死 訂這白癡死人價格
官方數據靠DLSS3撐場面
而且對照30系只有DLSS2根本無法公正比較
老黃真的是過太爽
i A你們兩個加油好嗎

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Abababa: 翻的很好 推推1F 05/24 01:11
謝謝OwO
※ 編輯: E7lijah (27.247.70.214 臺灣), 05/24/2023 01:13:33
deez1212: DIY PC市場竟然淪落至此QQ2F 05/24 01:14
zzro: 竟然被拿ARC來嘴 真的浪費沙子3F 05/24 01:15
cka: 真的是浪費錢啊4F 05/24 01:17
oppoR20: 安靜到最後的才是贏家5F 05/24 01:18
autoupdate: 沒想到他用這招清庫存, 這真的沒下限6F 05/24 01:21
jympin: 希望I皇能救救顯卡市場 我是真的被這幾年的老黃噁心到不想再買N卡了7F 05/24 01:23
zxc89973: 沒對手 只能接受這種狗屎選擇
不然你要買A.I?9F 05/24 01:23
negotiates: 30系晶片到底還有多少庫存啊11F 05/24 01:23
之前不是有板友說三星做爛的不算老黃錢 老黃索性砍成中低階賣 應該是不少
tomsawyer: 問就是3060ti太佛了 GN(消費者)胃口變大12F 05/24 01:24
llexcreepMAX: 60ti真的是有在臭的13F 05/24 01:24
tomsawyer: 不過光追...真的不是跟VR一樣泡沫嗎呵14F 05/24 01:25
光柵化太成熟 光追畫面加成與效能損失不成正比
CyBw: 嚐到甜頭忘不了15F 05/24 01:25
Dcpp2015: 重點就只有1080P能用,往上就烙賽。16F 05/24 01:27
game636610: AI拜託加油一點好嗎?17F 05/24 01:28
zxc99327: 遊戲玩家是老黃心中最軟的一塊18F 05/24 01:28
wardraw: 幀率不夠高 會放大DLSS3補幀延遲的缺點…19F 05/24 01:29
vsepr55: Amd賣主機,NV賣AI,這裡沒有玩家的事了20F 05/24 01:29
knml: 光追就是個沒甚麼用的東西21F 05/24 01:31
※ 編輯: E7lijah (27.247.70.214 臺灣), 05/24/2023 01:31:24
NanaMizuki: 廢到笑22F 05/24 01:35
a1e: 這垃圾賣399,你怎麼不去叫FED直接印錢給你算了
我不如等3060降價撿便宜23F 05/24 01:35
josephpu: 真夠慘的,2023年14K的產品還是在1080p25F 05/24 01:38
yathgu: 我要玩1080P還要花到1萬5買你4060Ti喔 RX6600 ARC750
都不到半價26F 05/24 01:39
Ken210430: 感謝翻譯28F 05/24 01:40
jackie0804: 推,真的糞卡一張29F 05/24 01:46
gwofeng: 礦工讓顯卡漲上去就回不去了30F 05/24 01:50
MAXQb: …這樣子16GB版本…嗯…31F 05/24 01:56
只加大VRAM 記憶體位寬沒改的話 應該也是一張浪費沙子的卡
aa01081008tw: a750...7千就有了.買到1萬5只能玩1080P?XD32F 05/24 02:01
Fezico: A750其實有本錢開2K(捏鼻33F 05/24 02:03
ehai0725: 老黃示範給你看什麼叫作浪費沙子34F 05/24 02:03
novicc: 原來3090原本定位是8K卡35F 05/24 02:05
大家也嘴過這個8K定位有夠白癡
ga278057: 會不會是5奈米太貴,蘋果是能靠軟體賺回來但顯卡一次性而已?36F 05/24 02:08
friedpig: 不會 就單純沒對手過太爽38F 05/24 02:10
ziggs8308: 之前還一堆A黑叫A乾脆收一收 後果來了 端屎你也得吞39F 05/24 02:15
reader2714: 光追就是雞肋40F 05/24 02:27
ccps9550217: 其實老黃成功了 大家都去消3060TI庫存41F 05/24 02:29
a3831038: 逼大家直上4080跟4090吧42F 05/24 02:31
aegis43210: 光追單元少,自然表現差,要光追至少上到407043F 05/24 02:31
※ 編輯: E7lijah (27.247.70.214 臺灣), 05/24/2023 02:32:36
ccps9550217: 會等4060的人捏不上4080吧……44F 05/24 02:35
dos01: 老實說吧 看完這篇 我只覺得老黃的刀工超乎我的想像
為了清30系的庫存 直接把40系全都剁爛
老黃的刀,不只會切,還會剁
原本來以為4060TI再爛就只是切的薄一點 但沒想到直接用剁的18490的60TI 到底是想賣誰45F 05/24 02:48
raidcrash: 原本以為只是切薄 結果端了盤組合肉出來50F 05/24 02:52
Fezico: 滿血版的lovelace還是很強,看4090輾壓成那樣,只是後續老黃都下錯刀惹,刀成這樣,40系搞不好又會出super板。51F 05/24 02:52
joewang85: 笑死53F 05/24 02:56
Fezico: 不過40系在移動版裡倒是一片好評,畢竟功耗是真的低54F 05/24 02:57
RGZ91B: 40沒意外的話應該會出super版吧 RTX20價格一開始也是很臭55F 05/24 03:00
Fezico: 40系如果記憶體位寬能搞一下搞不好還有戲,但不確定都不能現在看下來那個位寬真的閹太大,L2加大也補不回來
DLSS3.0直接沒啥屌用...56F 05/24 03:02
gn01110728: DLSS系列真的假議題,支援遊戲一直都很少,增長速度超慢,買辛酸的59F 05/24 03:05
blackway0226: 太屌了 跨世代 60居然沒進步 會笑死61F 05/24 03:16
ShibaTatsuya: 推翻譯 這張卡實際上根本是4050吧==62F 05/24 03:36
amd7356: 剛看台灣價格 太嘔心了 匯率快40了63F 05/24 03:37
cka: DLSS喊得吹翻天,但是全世界幾個人的顯卡跑得動?
我到覺得只配叫做403064F 05/24 03:39
Dreampen: 笑死 現在是鼓勵大家開馬賽克畫質玩遊戲嗎66F 05/24 03:50
Wilson310: 放眼整個顯卡歷史,4060ti都是相當垃圾的存在67F 05/24 03:53
C13H16ClNO: 哇喔 4k還可以部分倒輸前任這甚麼神操作
只能說老黃你真的太狠了 如此看不起主流的pc遊戲玩家68F 05/24 04:05
RaiGend0519: 唯一真香的是4090
可惜有機會香味變焦味
整體看來只有次香的4070可以用合理的價格提供玩家近三年前接近3080的性能又不會香到燒焦,40這代真的是令人無奈70F 05/24 04:17
Fezico: DLSS不會沒用啦,DLSS可以減輕負載增加幀數,但基本性能不行其他都是多講的。開了個寂寞75F 05/24 04:23
Wilson310: 這邊建議跳過整個40系77F 05/24 04:36
amd7356: DLSS問題就是普及率 現在3也沒多少款
如果現在只為了DLSS3跑去買40系列真的盤78F 05/24 04:40
jay0215: 推認真!80F 05/24 05:20
BlackCoal: 144P有夠嘴81F 05/24 05:55
jaceda: 這種廢物居然賣一萬多,老黃刀法收割韭菜毫不留情82F 05/24 06:02
lumperger: 應該是3060ti做壞的原因才顯得4060ti這麼不堪,另外就是40系從70ti開始位寬砍的太多了,要不是gg工藝彌補,三星做的話多半是全系列都浪費沙子的一代83F 05/24 06:26
aa52189: 笑死這代40系列真的爛86F 05/24 06:47
qoo10067: 以後只會越來越貴 讚87F 05/24 06:47
kaj1983: 這樣就浪費沙子,那7600怎辦?
如果是賣18490就是智力測驗了
老黃是想拉高台灣平均智商齁XD88F 05/24 06:47
qoo10067: 嫌貴就別買就好91F 05/24 06:50
amd7356: 7600賣不到萬元耶 還華碩的
萬8的4060TI 乾脆點買1萬9的4070不就好了92F 05/24 06:52
kaj1983: 查了一下4060ti最便宜的是14690,18490那個是技嘉瘋了吧7600賣9790,差5k一個級距也差不多爛94F 05/24 06:58
bunjie: 早上新聞說台灣智商測驗全球第二 僅次於日本 正好看看老黃的智商檢驗卡賣的如何96F 05/24 07:08
ABA0525: 因這張實際是405098F 05/24 07:12
Mues: 4070強3060ti 不是30%左右嗎99F 05/24 07:18
qwe172839: 想當年760vs960不也差不多 吃相再難看還是有人買單啦269F 05/24 18:26
u9596g12: 3060ti可是對標2080起步的 現在真慘 = =270F 05/24 18:47
Wilson310: 回樓上,3060ti一出來就比2080S強了,不只2080271F 05/25 07:21
IntelNNP: 不就老黃的對手太爛,老黃也只能...272F 05/25 09:52
leviathan415: 蘇媽裡面是不是有內鬼 老黃都像是知道蘇媽新卡的效能然後瘋狂刀功273F 05/25 13:27

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