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這問題最好的例子
就勇士前隊友Kevin Durant啊
他那兩冠
被酸報腿、搭便車、格林公式閉環
能有多難聽就有多難聽

但是當一要排歷史排名時
硬是因為有那兩冠
基本就能排在10～15名

不會因為沒有戒指
被踢到後面25～40名去
跟飛天豬、馬龍、老史、Nash坐同桌
而這些沒有戒指的“偉大”球員
隨著時間過去，人數越來越多
還會慢慢被往後踢勒

偉大是形容詞沒辦法排序的
但戒指有一顆就是有一顆
有兩顆就是有兩顆

6>4...ok???

戒指重不重要
哪個球員心裡不清楚
都跟明鏡一樣好嗎...

※ 引述《kakala99 (Fernando Torres #9)》之銘言：
: Green and his podcast co-host Baron Davis discussed James' comments on the
: latest episode of "The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis," where Davis
: initially said he "definitely" agrees with James.
: And while Green does as well, he shared a more thought-out response with a
: big-picture perspective.
: 在最新一集《The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis》播客中，Green與共同主持
: 人Baron Davis討論了James的這番話，Davis先表示，他「絕對」認同James的看法。
: Green雖然也表示贊同，但他補充了一段更深層視角的觀點：
: "I think ring culture took a big turn and came into play in large part due to
: the success of the Golden State Warriors. What Bron was saying is that you
: get guys like Stephen A. [Smith], and to me it felt like Stephen A. is
: someone who talks a lot about rings, and you don't know what it takes to win
: a ring because you've never won a ring. You don't understand because you've
: never gone through it. And because you don't know how hard it is because
: you've never gone through it, then you start using it to lessen the greatness
: of some of the greats.
: 「我認為所謂的『戒指文化』之所以出現並成為主流，在很大程度上與金州勇士的成功有
: 關。LeBron想表達的是，你會看到像Stephen A. Smith這樣的媒體人整天把總冠軍戒指掛
: 在嘴邊，他們常以戒指來衡量球員價值，但他們根本不知道贏得一枚冠軍戒有多難，因為
: 他們從來沒有親身經歷過，正因為你不清楚這有多艱難，你就會開始用戒指來貶低某些偉
: 大球員的成就。」
: "Is having a ring important? Of course. Does it add to legacies? Does it
: stamp legacies? Absolutely. I'm not going to sit here and act like having a
: ring or rings doesn't matter. It does matter. But it doesn't make [Charles]
: Barkley less great than he was. It doesn't make Allen Iverson less great. I
: think when people use it, they use it to dim the greatness, dim the light on
: guys. And that's what I felt like Bron was getting at." To Green's point,
: both Barkley and Iverson are Naismith Basketball Hall of Famers, 11-time NBA
: All-Stars and one-time league MVPs.
: 「冠軍戒重要嗎？當然重要。它能為傳奇生涯加分嗎？能鞏固歷史地位嗎？毫無疑問絕對
: 能，我不會坐在這裡裝作戒指不重要的樣子，但這不代表Barkley就不夠偉大，也不代表
: Allen Iverson的偉大會因此減少。我覺得有些人用戒指去貶低那些未曾奪冠球星的成就
: ，而這正是我覺得LeBron想表達的重點。」
: In more recent times, players such as James Harden, Russell Westbrook and --
: probably more than anyone --Chris Paul, have been scrutinized for never
: getting over that hump of winning a championship.
: "CP and James Harden, if they don't run into us [the Warriors], they probably
: do win a championship," Green said. "Sometimes, that's just how the cookie
: crumbles. But that don't mean those guys aren't great. That don't mean Chris
: Paul isn't a winner. Chris Paul is a winner. There's so many things that have
: to go right for you to win a championship.
: "So to just lessen someone's greatness because of it, I think that's wrong.
: Again, I'm not saying that having the rings don't matter. When I walk in a
: room, I feel great about the four rings I have. But that does not lessen
: someone else's greatness."
: 而近年來，包括James Harden、Russell Westbrook，甚至最常被提及的Chris Paul等球
: 員，也因未能奪冠而飽受質疑。
: Green表示：「如果CP和Harden當年沒遇上我們，他們或許真的能贏下總冠軍。有時候成敗
: 就是差在這一點運氣。但這不代表這些人不偉大，更不代表Chris Paul不是贏家，他絕對
: 是個贏家。要贏得總冠軍，需要太多因素完美配合。」
: 「所以僅僅因為某人沒有奪冠就貶低他們的偉大，我認為是錯誤的。再次強調，我不是說
: 戒指不重要，當我走進房間時，我對自己的四枚冠軍戒非常自豪，但這並不會讓其他人的
: 偉大因此被抹煞。」
: "There are more great players than great players that won rings," Davis said,
: as Green agreed. "There are more great players who haven't won rings than
: great players that have won rings. That's the way we got to look at it."
: Davis接著說：「沒拿過冠軍的偉大球員，遠比拿過冠軍的偉大球員還要多。」
: Green也表示認同：「歷史上偉大卻未曾奪冠的球員比那些擁有冠軍戒的偉大球員還要多
: 。我們該以這樣的角度來看待這件事。」
: 來源:https://reurl.cc/0K72Lb
: 嘴綠的觀點很中肯


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