看板 Gossiping作者 a5b4c3d2e1 ()標題 [爆卦] 肯亞剛跟中國拿一筆大錢時間 Thu Apr 14 20:19:58 2016
原文很長,我只翻倒數第二段的一句話
「4/08一群台灣人被裝機上中國的同一天,肯亞從中國到手六億美金的貸款」
補充:
肯亞的GDP是705億鎂,
6億鎂接近1%,好大的貸款
台灣2012的GDP是4740億鎂
如果要跟中國借一筆47億鎂(約1500億新台幣)的貸款
不知道要送誰上飛機去北京比較好
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外媒《外交家》報導
"China ‘Abducts’ Taiwanese in Kenya"
http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/china-abducts-taiwanese-in-kenya/
Taiwanese of all stripes were aghast this week after eight Taiwanese
nationals were among a group of Chinese citizens forced onto a plane to China
last Friday. It is not known why Chinese authorities sought to have the
Taiwanese extradited to China; the eight had been cleared of charges of
telecommunications fraud by a court in in Kenya. The incident, which Taipei
has described as “illegal abduction” and “uncivilized action,” raises
serious questions about Chinese extraterritoriality and the “one China”
policy.
The eight nationals in question were among a total of 37 individuals — 23 of
them Taiwanese — who were acquitted of fraud in an April 5 Kenya High Court
decision and were given 21 days to leave Kenya. One of the eight is
reportedly a Taiwanese-American. The remaining 15 Taiwanese were put on a
plane to China on Tuesday, also in defiance of the court order. Chinese
officials in Kenya reportedly pressured Kenyan authorities to send the
Taiwanese nationals to China.
Taiwanese foreign ministry officials dispatched from South Africa (Taiwan has
no official diplomatic relations with and no representative office in Kenya)
have been denied access to the Taiwanese individuals, and reports indicate
that submachine gun-wielding Kenyan police used tear gas to subdue the
Taiwanese who resisted deportation. Kenyan authorities had also told the
Taiwanese that their government had bought them tickets to return home, which
turned out to be a lie (see an undated letter by detainees expressing fears
of being sent to China).
Kenya’s Interior Ministry maintains that the Taiwanese nationals entered
Kenya illegally and were to be extradited to China because this was the route
they had taken to enter the country. Taipei has called the act “a gross
violation of basic human rights.” Taiwan’s Foreign Ministry has reached out
to Kenyan parliamentarians and rights activists to provide assistance in
filing a lawsuit against Kenyan police.
According to an official from the Africa division at Taiwan’s Ministry of
Foreign Affairs, a total of 45 Taiwanese nationals based in Kenya have been
extradited to China in two unrelated cases.
At this point, it is difficult not to regard the move as a case of abduction
of foreign nationals by China with Kenyan complicity. While Beijing and
Nairobi began talks on an extradition treaty in August 2015, an extradition
treaty normally facilitates the return of a national to his or her country of
origin to face prosecution. The problem, of course, is that Taiwanese are
holders of a Republic of China (ROC) passport, not one from the People’s
Republic of China (PRC).
Beijing could have wiggled out of this one by pointing to the precedent set
by the U.S. in its efforts to combat international cyber crime, under the
premise that the activities of the alleged criminals were detrimental to China
’s security. One case, for example, involved the deportation in 2007 of
23-year-old Ovidiu-Ionut Nicola-Roman, a Romanian citizen, to the United
States under a Mutual Legal Assistance Protocol and extradition treaty
between the United States and Romania. Several other Romanian nationals
involved in the scheme were expected to be sent to the United States to face
prosecution. Ukrainian and Estonian nationals have also been extradited to
the United States under similar agreements. “Criminals who exploit the power
and convenience of the Internet do not recognize national borders; therefore
our efforts to prevent their attacks cannot end at our borders either,”
Deputy Attorney General Mark R. Filip said at the time.
In 2009, Taiwan and China signed a joint crime-fighting agreement, which
arguably could have facilitated the exchange of information between the two
sides had the Taiwanese individuals been sent back to Taiwan.
But China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs didn’t refer to the U.S. precedent
or cross-strait agreements, and instead lauded Kenya’s decision, implying
that the extradition was the result of Nairobi’s adherence to the “one China
” policy. In other words, Beijing would rather be accused of abduction and
extraterritoriality — and would rather risk alienating the Taiwanese — than
to refer to a practical and arguably sensible precedent, set by the United
States, that would imply that Taiwanese are not Chinese citizens subject to
PRC laws.
Due to the complicity of various regimes that have developed close ties with
Beijing over the years, this latest incident also suggests that Taiwanese “
criminals” — a category that, under the PRC’s National Security Law, which
supposedly extends to Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, could include “splittism
” and other loosely defined threats to national security — no longer have
assurances of due process when they travel abroad.
According to Reuters, on April 8 — the same day the Taiwanese were loaded on
the plane to China — Kenya announced it would receive a new loan of $600
million from China to help Nairobi address its budget deficit.
In February 2011, the Philippines deported 14 Taiwanese involved in an
investment scam to China alongside 10 Chinese nationals, sparking anger in
Taipei. Manila refused to apologize for the incident. A later crackdown in
October 2015 resulted in the deportation of 42 Taiwanese nationals back to
Taiwan at a time of high tensions between the Philippines and China over
parts of the South China Sea.
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乾,我好蠢,謝謝提醒
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應該是其他理由 比如工程 援助
只是剛好在風頭上 所以引起聯想219F 04/14 21:47
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中國:用這筆貸款來欺負下台灣主權 值得啦!
外媒看得很清楚 不像台灣有些人....228F 04/14 22:10
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