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時間 Sat Jan 31 14:02:08 2015


Taipei’s Fiery New Mayor Knows Whose Culture Is Best | Foreign Policy
Taipei’s Fiery New Mayor Knows Whose Culture Is Best « | Foreign Policy | the Global Magazine of News and Ideas ...



Taipei's Fiery New Mayor Knows Whose Culture Is Best

And it's not Taiwan's. In an interview, he discusses the benefits of
colonization, his superior understanding of the Chinese Communist
Party, and the state of the New York subway.

※這段不知道誰加的,蠻奇怪 XD

Former trauma surgeon at one of the most prestigious hospitals in
Taiwan, Ko Wen-je made a surprising career shift and ran for the
Taipei mayoral election last November.

A political newbie, Ko bagged more than 850,000 votes and has become
the first Taipei mayor in decades — a position considered a
stepping-stone to the presidency — who bears no affiliation with
any political party.
作為一個政治素人,柯拿到了 85 萬票,當選為台北市長

Ko's blunt talking style and a series of rapid moves to take on huge
Taiwanese corporations such as multibillionaire Terry Gou's powerful
Hon Hai Group, which makes iPhone parts, have riveted Taiwan.

Ko also made international headlines when he accepted a watch as a
gift from the visiting British transport minister, a cultural taboo
among Chinese speakers.

(Ko reportedly later joked he could sell the watch for scrap metal.)

In a freewheeling Jan. 20 interview with Foreign Policy in Taipei
City Hall, Ko spoke about the impact of his victory, his views on
the Chinese Communist Party, and why a picture of him riding the
capital city's subway managed to go viral.

The interview, conducted in a combination of Chinese and English, has
been condensed for clarity.

On the impact of his victory:
Ko: The country has been shaken up by me. I am just being myself. In
our society, no one dares to be themselves. During the campaign, the
slogan that made me proudest — "Starting now, I will redefine
politics" — has been realized. Politics isn't that difficult; it
is about finding your conscience again. So, just do what is right.
Doing the right things is more important than doing things right.
There have been a lot of lies and fabrications [in Taiwan's
political environment].

On Asian history and colonization:
For the [world's] four Chinese-speaking regions — Taiwan,
Singapore, Hong Kong, and Mainland China — the longer the
colonization, the more advanced a place is. It's rather
embarrassing. Singapore is better than Hong Kong; Hong Kong is
better than Taiwan; Taiwan is better than the mainland. I'm
speaking in terms of culture. I've been to Vietnam and mainland
China. Even though the Vietnamese are seemingly poor, they always
stop in front of red traffic lights and walk in front of green ones.
Even though mainland China's GDP is higher than that of Vietnam, if
you ask me about culture, the Vietnamese culture is superior.

就算你跟我說中國的 GDP很高,對我來說,越南的文化比較好。

embarrassing 剛剛誤譯成悲哀了,抱歉 [sarada]

On Taiwan's current state:
At this moment, Taiwan is like a car with very powerful engines but
no steering wheel.

On America and Taiwan:
I lived in the United States for a year and I've been thinking over
the past 20 years about why the United States is a good country.
Whether you like it or not, [you have to admit] its people are
rather free. A cultivated nation is not about having nuclear
weapons, spaceships, or high-speed rail. It is about the realization
of basic social values and letting citizens live like human beings:
democracy, freedom, rule of law, human rights, and care for the
underprivileged. They may sound very basic, but these are the
fundamental values of a society.
我在美國住過一年,過去 20 年一直在想為什麼美國是個好國家。

On Taiwanese democracy:
Does Taiwan have democracy? Real democracy means politics belongs to
the people. Taiwanese politics belongs to corporations and is
controlled by political parties.
台灣是政治被政黨掌控,政黨又被財團掌握。 [pastor1982]

On mainland-Taiwan relations:
If you ask me about the one-China policy [which recognizes only one
China, while allowing both the mainland and Taiwan to claim they are
the "China" recognized] my question is, what is one China? You
have to tell me what one China looks like. If a girl is to marry
into another family, you have to tell her what that family is like.
Cooperation is more important than reunification. If reunification
is achieved without cooperation, it will be meaningless. We have to
mutually know, understand, respect, each other; then finally we can
cooperate with each other. We have to convince Mainland China that a
free and democratic Taiwan is more in China's interest than reunification.

On the photo of Ko taking the Taipei subway that went viral in
mainland China, in part because of its contrast to the cosseted life
of many mainland officials:
I couldn't have imagined that [the photo would get so much
attention], but in fact I don't care, because I was just being
myself. This is called a cultural gap. I once said that when more
than 99 percent of Chinese people close the doors while doing their
business in bathrooms, we can start talking about reunification.
This hurt the feelings of many Chinese people, but a cultural gap
[between mainland China and Taiwan] does exist. There's nothing
wrong about officials taking the subway. Why is this unusual? So
people talked about "one country, two systems," but maybe we
should talk about "two countries, one system" instead. We should
try to narrow the gap.
我曾經說過當 99 % 的中國人上廁所都會關門時,我們就可以來談統一。

On the Chinese Communist Party:
I have a better understanding of the Communist Party than most party
members because I like reading. I have a better understanding of the
Communist Party than most party members because I like reading. I
have read a lot of books about the party's history. The party isn't
a rival; it's a client. China's a problem that we must face, no
matter [whether] you like it or not.

Throughout China's history, there were very few dynasties when
every citizen was fed. It's unbelievable that the Chinese
government can achieve this. It's something we should respect.
However, they have their own difficulties to overcome.

On Taiwan's influence on the mainland:
I think keeping a democratic, liberal Taiwan benefits Chinese history.
When people say the Chinese people do not deserve universal suffrage,
there have been five presidential elections in Taiwan already.
People say that the Chinese people are not civic-minded;
[but] take a look at Taiwan's subway. It's cleaner than the New York subway.
當大家在說中國人不配擁有全民普選,台灣已經選了五次總統。 [SkyMirage]

※這段很難翻,請幫我修正 orz

On Taiwan's 2016 presidential election:
I don't know what will happen in the future, but I hope Taipei city
will be a "demilitarized zone" between the blue and green parties.
[In Taiwan, "blue" refers to the ruling Kuomintang, while "green"
 means the Democratic Progressive Party, which advocates a tougher
stance towards Beijing.] I will try to keep neutral. I will not run
for president. That's a clear-cut answer.
關於 2016 總統大選:



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pastor1982: 台灣是政治被政黨掌控,政黨又被財團掌握1F 01/31 14:05
zeze: 但台灣不是中國人  所以中國人還是沒救  砍掉重練比較快2F 01/31 14:06
Divya:3F 01/31 14:07
kansanamida: 認同柯P所講的4F 01/31 14:09
gg889g8: 推整篇 一堆媒體都斷章取義5F 01/31 14:13
chyou2003: 被殖民越久的,越先進,"這還蠻悲哀的",差一句感覺差很多6F 01/31 14:13
taikonkimo: 柯p思路很清晰阿 媒體就斷章取義 這真悲哀7F 01/31 14:18
stock5566: 感謝翻譯8F 01/31 14:18
grgeo: 原文的Chinese應該是泛指華人吧9F 01/31 14:20
這很難翻 ...
windersword: 柯p對記者這麼好 結果還被記者扭曲..10F 01/31 14:22
Alubasong: 有沒有柯辦的看到可以澄清一下啊,明明有蠻悲哀的這句11F 01/31 14:23
Alubasong: 結果記者直接取殖民越久越進步當標題...
demonh311: 無視13F 01/31 14:26
Alubasong: =這話題又要被拿出來打了14F 01/31 14:27
ray2501: 對記者好本來就是柯p 的問題,以後大多數都由發言人來處15F 01/31 14:27
ray2501: 理才是正確的做法  柯P 還不知道台灣記者無限的惡意
traipse: 台灣維持民主可讓自己成為有毒的小蝦米,中國吞進去就自爆17F 01/31 14:29
girafa: 謝全文18F 01/31 14:29
ray2501: 還有啊,讀過柏陽 《醜陋的中國人》就知道19F 01/31 14:30
ray2501: (被曲解的)儒家文化對於中國的負面影響太大,無解了
ray2501: 1985 年描述的現象,把年份拿掉,2015 年還是可以通
zeze: 台灣沒有義務幫中國的民主化  自己的國家自己救22F 01/31 14:32
greedypeople: 其實本來的版本說的很好  記者這樣寫就有人會爆走23F 01/31 14:34
ivyclover:24F 01/31 14:37
orchidd: 謝全文!25F 01/31 14:37
oosakeoo:26F 01/31 14:39
a150237: 推全文27F 01/31 14:41
jimmysts: 全文才該推!28F 01/31 14:43
orchidd: 看完全文,媒體都太放大兩國一制,和殖民這兩點的解讀29F 01/31 14:44
s92228: 先找出是哪一個記者斷章取義 真的王八蛋30F 01/31 14:46
PercyJackson: 可是瑞凡,記者跟舔中的媒體都只會斷章取義31F 01/31 14:47
PercyJackson: 而且都不報最近國民黨要在金門進行的骯髒兩岸統一
angell543: 謝謝33F 01/31 14:51
syo0093: 狗屎記者看得懂英文? 呵呵 本日最好笑34F 01/31 14:53
sarada: embarrassing就其字義和上下文脈絡 並無"悲哀"之意35F 01/31 14:56
orchidd: 本篇都翻好了,不久說不定記者就來抄了XD36F 01/31 14:56
rhox: 腦袋很清楚37F 01/31 14:56
banbee100: 謝謝用心翻譯38F 01/31 14:57
sarada: 你這樣翻是超譯39F 01/31 14:58
※ 編輯: darren8221 (, 01/31/2015 15:01:18
ragirl: 推...其實他只是講實話而已40F 01/31 15:00
MAYDAYJJ: 必須看完整報導41F 01/31 15:02
malay: 全文講得真好!42F 01/31 15:05
Moratti: 推43F 01/31 15:07
GaryMatthews: 誰說柯P缺乏人文素養 這樣的論點狂電 90% 以上鄉民44F 01/31 15:10
OoJudyoO: 就離中國越久的越先進 對中國很尷尬45F 01/31 15:11
elle:46F 01/31 15:17
yklium: 用心推47F 01/31 15:17
Chikarable: 感謝翻譯 辛苦了48F 01/31 15:19
sayuki: 推49F 01/31 15:20
kylie720: 讓中國跟台灣ㄧ樣,兩國ㄧ治50F 01/31 15:21
romusutoru: 推51F 01/31 15:23
se2422: 給推 不該再讓過國民黨來與中國接觸52F 01/31 15:24
SHIU0315: 幹 推這全文啦53F 01/31 15:35
SkyMirage: universal suffrage 可以譯為全民普選54F 01/31 15:41
imaclone: 推翻譯55F 01/31 15:42
※ 編輯: darren8221 (, 01/31/2015 15:49:08
LBruce: 推56F 01/31 16:05
vantiss: it's embarrassing, too:   China ≠ Taiwan57F 01/31 16:17
yujauyuh: 推 媒體斷章取義真討厭58F 01/31 16:17
Janius: 嗯!跟我翻的意思差不多59F 01/31 16:18
vantiss: 柯市長很敢用Taiwan和China分開   給推60F 01/31 16:19
mjonask: 推翻譯61F 01/31 16:19
lin821: 誠實講出自己看法而不是講一堆屁話 給推62F 01/31 16:22
yucer: 推柯P英文用「China」「Taiwan」  區分兩國63F 01/31 16:25
talenter:64F 01/31 16:29
jaguars33: 一邊一國  人民要民主~65F 01/31 16:53
julia66: the Chinese people 應該是指華人吧66F 01/31 16:59
cherita: 推67F 01/31 17:06
koala2010: 推68F 01/31 17:12
atobela: 華人世界和中國的英文是不是都一樣??69F 01/31 17:15
kiuygtde: 推~感謝翻譯70F 01/31 17:30
sabrina2597: 推71F 01/31 17:46
BMay: 推全文。也感謝翻譯!72F 01/31 17:48
atozspeed: 感謝翻譯!柯P說的真好73F 01/31 17:58
kk55662003: 霉體都愛斷章取義74F 01/31 18:00
sunnyfriz: 好文推75F 01/31 18:02
catvsdog: 推76F 01/31 18:03
Williamette: 推77F 01/31 18:04
regeirk:78F 01/31 18:16
ANSREC: 推,好文79F 01/31 18:29
Risedo: 柯P不選總統台灣沒救了80F 01/31 18:37
aven01: 已經有人翻好了? #1Kp4M2RU81F 01/31 18:38
suncat71: 推 很明確82F 01/31 19:21
l2889900: 中肯83F 01/31 19:21
bryant1228: Push.84F 01/31 19:28
ahlolha: 拜託不要怪媒體斷章取義,一堆三流大學出來的是要他們英85F 01/31 19:33
ahlolha: 文多好?
peteboy: 推!!!87F 01/31 19:37
genka: 推88F 01/31 19:40
orchidd: 推。89F 01/31 19:52
cphsiao: 推90F 01/31 19:53
rayonwu: 推  兩國91F 01/31 19:59
wildfire0205: 推兩國 悲哀記者的水準真是唯恐天下不亂92F 01/31 20:17
fly830507: 難得有個腦子清醒的政治人物阿......93F 01/31 20:47
lina7inverse: 不只是推94F 01/31 20:55
www90173: .....幹 講一堆媒體只取那樣?95F 01/31 21:11
vgbvgb: 這樣的言論基礎 選總統也是水到渠成96F 01/31 21:14
yeh0216: 推97F 01/31 21:23
ImShihLi: 柯p才敢講真話,思路清晰。比一些只做表面功夫的無腦政98F 01/31 21:26
ImShihLi: 治客,優秀太多了
kkdm: !100F 01/31 21:35
killerken: 推101F 01/31 21:50
boxtina: 推全文。也感謝翻譯! 再推「台灣是政治被政黨掌控,政黨102F 01/31 22:03
boxtina: 又被財團掌握」

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