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Unwritten rules violations
Three former pitching greats share their thoughts on how best to mete out
justice

By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com
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Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, a perennial All-Star and Hall of Fame-
caliber lightning rod, recently landed in the middle of controversy with a
seemingly harmless jog across San Francisco's East Bay. When Rodriguez cut
across the pitcher's mound during a game against Oakland, A's pitcher Dallas
Braden took offense and ripped him for his lack of professional courtesy. The
incident set off a major turf war and prompted some inflammatory back-and-
forth in the papers.

重提A-Rod走過投手丘事件

Who knew? Each time a player tests the game's "unwritten rules,'' it spurs
debate about what is and isn't kosher. One man's gamesmanship is another's
breach of baseball's internal code.

每次這種事情發生  都會引發討論

You never know precisely what a hitter might do to irritate a pitcher.
Phillies pitcher Cole Hamels, for example, told ESPN.com that he doesn't
understand why hitters are allowed to scratch out the back line of the
batter's box to gain an extra couple of inches, or stray from the on-deck
circle to better gauge his pitches. The list of perceived transgressions is
endless.




Gossage

Blyleven

Palmer

As a public service, we sought out three prominent pitchers for their opinion
of different offenses: What's out of bounds, what's part of the game, and what
might prompt you to drill a hitter or make a mental note that he's crossed the
line?

‧ Expert No. 1: Jim Palmer, a six-time All-Star, three-time Cy Young Award
winner and proud owner of a 268-152 record with the Baltimore Orioles. Palmer
made the Hall of Fame on his first try in 1990 and currently works as an
Orioles analyst for MASN.

‧ Expert No. 2: Bert Blyleven, who won 287 games and ranks ninth on
baseball's career list in shutouts (60) and fifth in strikeouts (3,701). Now
a Minnesota Twins TV analyst, Blyleven fell five votes short of the Hall of
Fame in January and should make it to Cooperstown this winter in his 14th
appearance on the ballot.

‧ Expert No. 3: Goose Gossage, nine-time All-Star, owner of 310 career saves,
one of the most feared closers in history, and a 2008 Baseball Hall of Fame
inductee.

請來三名已退休投手來分享他們的觀點。

Palmer，好好先生，六度明星賽選手，三度CY獎，生涯268-152，效力于金鷹。1990年
首度叩關就進入HOF。

Blyleven，生涯287W，生涯完封60場排名第9，三振3701次排名第5。上次HOF票選差5票。

Gossage，九度明星賽選手，310救援成功，08年進入HOF，是一位被懼怕的投手。

The three pitching greats approached the task from different perspectives.
Blyleven ranks 17th on baseball's career list -- one spot ahead of Don
Drysdale -- with 155 hit-by-pitches. He's a staunch advocate of frontier
justice.

"That's the way I was brought up,'' Blyleven said. "It's an eye for an eye.
If you show me up, I'm going to try to knock out your eye.''

Palmer, in contrast, hit only 38 batters in 19 seasons in Baltimore. That
total ties him with Cliff Lee, Steve Blass, Hideo Nomo and 20 other pitchers
for 666th place in baseball history.

"Earl Weaver didn't believe in throwing at guys, because we had better
players, and if you throw at guys, somebody gets hurt and it hurts your
ballclub,'' Palmer said. "You just have to pick the right time.''

As for Gossage, he didn't encounter much tomfoolery in any form because of
his triple-digit fastball and imposing presence on the mound. Hitters were
usually too frightened to mess with him.

三位投手有各自的投手哲學。Blyleven生涯155觸身球，排名第17。他非常強調「正義」。

Palmer只有38次觸身球。讓他排名第666。Palmer說「何必丟別人咧，我們的球員都比較
厲害。況且，丟觸身球會讓人受傷，也會讓球隊立於不利。要選對時間。」

至於Gossage，他丟觸身球的機會不多，因為沒人敢惹毛他。他那巨大的身軀以及超過100
英里的快速球。打者看到他都變的超乖的。

In this week's Starting 9, we laid out nine common scenarios for Palmer,
Blyleven and Gossage. Their responses might be worth consulting the next time
a pitcher and hitter clash over baseball etiquette.

我們提出了九種比較常見的爭議情形來和三位投手討論。

The hitter stands at home plate and admires a home run.
What do you do?

打者打出全壘打後，在本壘瞻仰他的長打。你會怎麼辦？

Jim Palmer: "You don't want to get angry. You get even. I learned that from
Cal Ripken Sr. You're emotional, competitive, all the things that make you a
good athlete. But you can't let things affect you. It's somebody else's
actions. Do you respect them? No. Jim Rice hit nine home runs off me. So did
Graig Nettles, and they never showed me up. They never went around the bases
and put on all this [expletive].''



Bert Blyleven: "I guess you can ask Jose Canseco that question. He did it and
I accidentally hit him in the chest area his next time up. There were some
words exchanged, all from me basically, saying, 'The next time you hit a home
run, run around the darned bases. You think you're so big and strong.' That
type of thing.

"Tony La Russa came out and I think we had some words too, in the heat of
battle. When you give up a home run, good for them. But don't show me up.
When I strike you out, I don't stand there and 'fireball' you or point at you
or laugh at you. That's part of the game.''

Blyleven「我想你可以問問Canseco這個問題。有一次他就這麼做過，他下次打擊的時候
，我就不小心失投打中他的胸部。我們之間交換了一些對話，主要是我對他說"下次
你打出全壘打，你就乖乖跑你的壘包。你以為你高大強壯嗎"那類的話。」



Goose Gossage: "When I was pitching for the Cubs, Ron Gant hit a home run
that was eight miles foul. He stomped around the batter's box for about five
minutes because he was so bummed out. He was a rookie then and I didn't even
know who he was.

"So he's all up in arms about this ball going foul, and he's causing this big
scene while I'm out there waiting to throw the next pitch to [catcher] Jody
Davis. When he finally steps back in the box, I plug him with the first pitch.

"Gant looks out at me and says, 'What did you hit me for, man?' And I said,
'If you ever do that again, I'll hit you in the head.' He never understood,
but a year later Jody Davis went over and played for Atlanta. He told Gant,
'You must be the dumbest SOB in the league. Everybody in the stadium knew you
were going to get drilled, except you.'''






The hitter flips the bat or takes an excruciatingly slow home run trot. What's
your reaction?

打者打出全壘打後，甩一下球棒或是用超慢的速度跑壘。你們的反應？

Palmer: "It doesn't make you happy. It's just showing you up. The opposite of
that is, when I first met Dennis Eckersley, he was pointing at guys and
shooting them and all that. I said, 'Eck, guys want to hit home runs and
knock you out. Just pretend you did your job.' It's the same with a hitter.
It's your job. Just put your head down like Harmon Killebrew did and run.

"The only thing this stuff really does is encourage me to want to get hitters
out more. A lot of people look at it as a negative; I look at it as, 'This guy
is a complete jerk, and I don't like jerks.' Dave Winfield used to come out
and twirl the bat, and late in my career, I'd have 5 mph more on my fastball
against him.''

Palmer「那不會讓你高興。那只是在炫耀。那只是你的工作。頭低下去然後乖乖跑你的壘
。

Blyleven: "In the '87 World Series, Tom Lawless hit a home run off Frank
Viola and threw the bat in the air about 20 feet and thought he was Babe
Ruth. If anything helps bring a ballclub a little closer together, it's when
an opponent reacts the way he does. Everybody on your team gets pissed
together.

"You can talk about steroids all you want, but when Mark McGwire hit his home
runs, he was not a showman. He dropped the bat and ran around the bases. When
Barry Bonds hit one, he did a little twirlette; he thought he was a ballet
dancer. Even with all the armor he wore, I still would have tried to find a
place in his rib cage where he was open.''





Gossage: "Hitters never showed me up, as hard as I threw. And I was pretty
mean out on the mound. Guys hauled ass around the bases when they hit a home
run off of me. And if they ever did [take their time], somebody was going to
get plugged. That's just the way it was.''

Gossage「打者不敢如此。我球投的很用力，而且我又很兇。全壘打之後他們都快速拖著
他們的屁股跑壘。如果他們膽敢慢慢跑，就會有人被K。就這樣而已。


The hitter runs across the mound while you're nowhere near it.
Is that an issue?

你不在投手丘附近，打者走過投手丘。這是個問題嗎？

Palmer: "I don't have any problem with that. Why would I care?''

Palmer「我沒問題。我為什麼會有問題？」

Blyleven: "It doesn't make any difference to me whether I'm standing on it or
not -- that's my mound and you stay off my mound. When the left fielder runs
from the first base dugout to left field between innings, you never see him
run across the mound. You just don't see players running across the mound.''



Gossage: "I'm sure I would have taken offense to it had it happened, but it
never happened. I don't ever remember seeing a baserunner who was all the way
to third base run back across the mound. It was kind of a respectful thing.
It probably would have been taken as an 'in your face.'"

Gossage「我當然會很介意，但是這從來沒發生過。我不曾記得看過有人如此。如果真的
有人這樣，我會當作是針對我而來的。」


The hitter crosses the mound while you are standing on it.
Is there a difference?

你在投手丘上，有打者尬過去。有差嗎？

Palmer: "That doesn't bother me, either. I don't think A-Rod probably thought
anything about it. But I do admire Dallas Braden for what he did, because it
took some cojones. To his credit, he was able to yell and scream and it didn't
affect his performance.''

Palmer「這對我也不是什麼。我想A-Rod大概也覺得沒什麼。但是我推崇Braden的行為，
因為要那樣是需要帶種的。他表達了他的情緒，也沒影響到他的表現。」

Blyleven: "It's not right what A-Rod did. He could have run around the mound.
You respect the game of baseball and you respect your opponents.
"I saw the interview with A-Rod, and the arrogance he showed. He should have
said, 'Hey, I'm really sorry. I didn't realize I did that.' Instead, he made
a circus out of it. I believe Braden had every right to be upset; A-Rod ran
straight across the mound, and he's very good at lying. He said, 'I don't
remember that.'

"Don't be surprised if Braden pitches against the Yankees and A-Rod is up,
and in the right situation Braden may come up-and-in on him or make him move
his feet a little bit or even drill him. The sad part is, in today's game,
the discipline a player can get for hitting another guy isn't the same as it
was in the '70s. It's hard to do the 'eye for an eye' now.''





Gossage: "I was so mean, even my teammates were afraid to come on the mound.
I remember once in San Diego, I was really struggling. They wanted to get the
bullpen going, and [manager] Larry Bowa yelled to John Kruk to come out and
talk to me to buy some time.

"There's dust flying, I'm kicking the ground and I'm mad as hell, and I sense
somebody standing by me. It's Kruk, standing on the grass. I looked at Kruk
and I said, 'This better be good, [expletive].' Kruk was just a rookie then,
and he was petrified. He turned around and ran back to first base. He never
said a word.''

Gossage「我兇到連我的隊友都不敢上投手丘。我記得有一次我在SD，我那時候投的很爛
。他們想要讓牛朋熱身，所以教練叫Kruk來跟我講話以爭取時間。



Is bunting to break up a no-hitter a violation of baseball's unwritten rules?

為了破壞無安打而短打，如何？

Palmer: "Heck, I did it in Little League against [a kid] because he was going
to strike out 18 out of 18. I pitched a no-hitter and [the Orioles] scored
eight runs, but it might be the appropriate play. It's part of the game.
Plus, if a guy can bunt, I usually want my infielders playing in to defend
the bunt anyway.''

Palmer「我小時候就曾經這樣幹過，因為對方投手即將達成面對18人三振18人咧。這是
比賽的一部份。況且，如果打者是短打好手，我通常會要我的內野手提防短打。」

Blyleven: "Your goal as a hitter is to get on. And if the third baseman is
playing back and letting you lay down a bunt, I don't have a problem with
that even if it's late in a no-hitter. Their goal is to try to win the game
-- not to help a guy get a no-hitter.''

Blyleven「打者的目的就是上壘。如果三壘手守的比較深容許你短打的話，我沒有什麼意
見，就算是比賽尾端無安打的情況。他們的目的是贏球，不是幫人達成無安打。」

Gossage: "I never took offense to that. Nolan Ryan used to take offense to
guys trying to bunt off him. Nolan used to give guys his so-called 'bow tie.'
I just figured it's part of a hitter's job. And I was a guy you could bunt on,
because I couldn't field anything on the third-base side.

Usually a no-hitter is a tight ballgame, and they're trying to beat you. You
need baserunners, and I can't blame the opposition for trying to get on base.
If the game is out of reach, then it's a different story. I would take offense
to that. I'd drill the SOB. 'If you want to get on base, here, I'll put you on
base.'''

Gossage「我不會感覺到不悅。我覺得那是打者的工作。更何況我是個很容易被短打成功
的人，因為我三壘邊的防守超爛的。




What's your response if a hitter calls timeout while you're in the middle of
your windup?

如果你在投球動作中打者突然叫暫停，如何？

Palmer: "We were taught not to wear your emotions on your sleeve, so you just
have to internalize all this stuff. It makes you want to get the guy out even
more. Some people have a legitimate reason, but if you do it a couple of times,
then it's annoying."

Palmer「我們被教導不要讓感情表現於外。這樣會你更加想要讓他出局。有些人叫暫停
有合理的理由，但是如果太多次，會覺得很討厭。」

Blyleven: "If it's the same guy day-in and day-out who's always asking for
time, then it might be a problem. But I think the umpires are trying to control
that a little better to keep the game moving. We just did a game where Denard
Span asked for time, and the pitcher was already in his stretch position, and
Gerry Davis was the umpire and he didn't give it to him. The umps are trying
to make it so guys can't step out all the time."

Blyleven「如果永遠都是同一個人這樣，也許就會有問題了。但是我認為裁判在這方面
已經進步很多。前些日子我才擔任一場球賽的球評，Span要求暫停，投手已經在投球了。
Davis裁判沒有同意暫停。裁判在努力讓這類事情減少發生。」

Gossage: "When Buck Rodgers was managing in Montreal, they used to step out
to break up my timing because I worked fast. I didn't go after the hitters. I
walked off the mound, threw the rosin bag down and motioned with my finger
for Buck to come on out. I was going to kick his ass. I heard later that the
hitters told Buck they didn't want to do it anymore."



What do you do if you catch a hitter peeking back at a catcher's setup, or
getting signs relayed to him from a teammate on second base?

如果你們發現打者偷看捕手暗號，或是二壘跑者偷看並且傳給打者？

Palmer: "I was pitching one night against Jim Spencer, and he used to live in
Baltimore. He played basketball with us in the offseason, and he was a friend
of mine. [Catcher] Rick Dempsey came out to the mound and said, 'Spencer is
looking back at the signs.' So I walked off the mound and said, 'If you do
that again, I'll hit you in the side of the head.' I threw the next ball
right down the middle and he took it for Strike 3."



Blyleven: "That's a no-no. I don't think too many players peek back at the
catcher. If they're caught, it's up to that pitcher or catcher to say
something. 'If you do it again, there's going to be repercussions.'

"Ted Simmons and I had words one time in Milwaukee when he was at second base.
I came into my stretch position and turned around real quick, and he was
staring right in giving the signs. I stepped off and we had some words. I had
an incident with Paul Molitor where I thought he was peeking [at the catcher],
and I settled it right there."

Blyleven「這絕對不行。我不覺得有太多打者會偷看。如果他們被抓包，投手或是捕手
要警告他們，再看會有後果的。

有次我抓到Simmons在二壘偷看暗號。我馬上離開投手丘然後跟他溝通。有次我抓到
Molitor偷看捕手。我也是當場解決。」

Gossage: "If we thought hitters were getting signs relayed signs from second
base, we would call a breaking ball, and then I'd throw a fastball up and in.
That stopped it right then. It was over. They were done."

Gossage「如果我們認為二壘跑者再偷看暗號，我們會比變化球的暗號，然後我會頭內角
高直球。這通常都會解決一切」

If you think a hitter intentionally leaned over the plate to get hit by a
pitch, how do you respond?

如果你認為有打者故意靠向本壘故意被觸身，會如何？

Palmer: "I didn't get annoyed very much. But Damaso Garcia stuck his elbow out,
and he was going down the first-base line. I said, 'If you're going to pull
that crap, I can hit you where it's really going to hurt.' It was a 2-0
ballgame and I guess he was just trying to get on base. But I didn't like it."

Palmer「我通常不會感到不爽。但是Garcia有一次把他的手肘伸出去故意被觸身。當他往
一壘跑的時候，我跟他說"如果你還要搞這種飛機，我會打到真的會讓你痛的地方"當時
比賽2-0，也許他只是想要上壘，但是我很不高興。」

Blyleven: "It happened the other day in Detroit. Miguel Cabrera got hit with
a pitch inside, and we showed the replay and he hardly even moved. He knew he
had that pad on his left elbow area and he just kind of left his arm out there
and got hit. There was no intent to try to get out of the way.

"You see a guy like Jason Kendall, and he's from the old school: You don't see
him wearing armor and all that stuff. We had a guy in the '70s, Cesar Tovar,
who was notorious for sticking his elbow out there. And Ron Hunt would lean
into a fastball to get on base. I don't think these guys today should be
allowed to wear a pad. David Ortiz is a designated hitter. He doesn't have to
throw anymore. Why does he get to wear a pad?"

Blyleven「Cabrera有次被觸身球。我們看了重播，他幾乎沒有動。他知道他有護具，
所以他就故意讓他的左肘被打中。他沒有要閃的意圖。

你看看像Kendall這種傳統球員。他不會穿那些盔甲。老爹Ortiz是個ＤＨ。他又不用傳球
。他為什麼可以帶護具？」

Gossage: "I threw so hard that people never played many games like that with
me. It just didn't happen -- because you'd get killed."

Gossage「我投球投那麼用力，沒人敢如此。會死人的」

How offended are you if a hitter takes a big rip at a 3-0 pitch when his team
is way ahead?

如果球數3壞0好，對方大幅領先，而打者仍揮大棒，會如何？

Palmer: "I think that's over the line. What goes around, comes around. That's
the thing. If guys show you up, sooner or later something is going to happen.
It's bad karma. Just play the game respectfully."

Palmer「我覺得這超過了。因果報應。你今天臭屁，總有一天會得到報應。要尊敬比賽」

Blyleven: "If a guy takes a big swing like that, yeah, I would be upset. Don
Mattingly hit a home run off me many years ago at the Metrodome, and the next
pitch was a fastball and Dave Winfield left his feet swinging at it. The next
pitch Winfield was leaving his feet to get out of the way. He was picking
himself up off the ground.

"Guys swing hard. I don't have a problem with that. But as a pitcher who
pitched every fourth or fifth day, that was my bread and butter. I had to
have my game face on. When you're not at the top of your game and you feel
like the other team is laughing and embarrassing you by doing certain things,
it's time to retaliate."



打者揮大棒。這我沒有意見。但是當你覺得你被對方嘲笑或羞辱的時候，你會做一些事情
以求報復」

Gossage: "If a guy screws himself into the ground, I'm going to undress him.
I might not drill him, but I'm going to send a message.

"The score of the game definitely comes into play. Guys used to quit playing
if the score was 17-0. The game was out of reach, it was in check, and it was
over for all intents and purposes. It was just a respect thing -- you didn't
want to show the other team up. Now guys want to pad their stats."

Gossage「如果有人這樣，一定會有後果的。我不一定會Ｋ他，但是一定會讓他知道。



Special bonus question: If a player on your team gets drilled, are you
obligated to respond?

如果你的隊友被Ｋ，你是否有義務回敬？

Palmer: "In Cal Ripken's first year, in '82, we'd had some guys get hit and
Cal said, 'When is somebody going to protect somebody around here?' I didn't
like Carlton Fisk anyway, because he hit me so well. So one game I just
drilled him. It wasn't a very sensible thing to do, and why I was listening
to a rookie, I don't know. Maybe I knew that Cal was going to end up in the
Hall of Fame one day."

Palmer「Ripken的第一年，我們有人被Ｋ了。Ripken就說"什麼時候才會有人保護我們


Blyleven: "I don't care if it's my No. 1 hitter or my No. 9 hitter, you know
when the other pitcher is doing something on purpose. I remember one time in
Kansas City, I had a 5-0 shutout going into the ninth inning, and Juan
Beniquez was our center fielder [with Texas]. He hit a three-run homer that
day, and in his final at-bat they threw a ball at his head and it went back
to the backstop.

"Our whole team was yelling, and I knew what I needed to do. Sid Hudson, the
pitching coach, came over and said, 'Don't do anything. Get the shutout, and
we'll get them another time.' Frank Lucchesi, our manager, said the same thing.

"I didn't say anything. I went out there and took my eight warm-up tosses,
and then I drilled Darrell Porter right in the ribs with my first pitch. To
me, there's a time when you have to protect your teammates. If I didn't do
that, I would have lost face with my ballclub. If I don't protect Juan
Beniquez right there, I'm the biggest sissy out there. And I'm not a sissy."



我們全隊都在叫，而我也知道我該做啥。投手教練過來跟我說:你等等什麼都別做。拿到
完封，然後下次我們再報復。教練也是跟我這麼說的。



Gossage: "We were playing Baltimore one year in Fort Lauderdale early in
spring training. Graig Nettles comes up and Mike Flanagan drills him in the
wrist with the first pitch. OK, fine. Then somebody takes out Willie Randolph
at second base and they almost kill him. OK, fine. Nothing was said. Nobody
got upset. That was the way the game was played at the time. But we knew when
we had a chance, we'd take care of it.

"Later in spring training I was on the mound and Al Bumbry, their leadoff
hitter, came to the plate. I hit him on the point of the hip as hard as I
could throw. He fell down in the box and he was going around like a top. He
was break dancing in the batter's box. I'm telling you, I had never seen
anything like it. I came in the dugout after that inning was over and
everybody was like, 'Hey Goose, way to go. Thanks, man.' They all knew what
it was for. It wasn't that big a deal. But there's a time and a place to take
care of business, and we took care of business."





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他有說  通常無安打比賽的時候比數都會是接近的
所以這時候如果是為了求上壘而短打  就沒什麼好吵的
不能因為無安打比賽而要求對方不能短打
但是他也有提到  如果比數已經差很多了  那麼再短打的話就可能會有爭議


有差嗎  有錯別字您就挑出來吧
我翻文章只是為了分享  我盡可能的注意錯別字
但是我用的輸入法就是會自動選字  有些我也沒注意
您要是因為這樣無法看懂這篇文章  您也不用在意太多  比我強的譯者太多了
您可以去拜讀他們的翻譯

不成文  不能說  根本就是兩碼子的東西

舉不成文法為例，是形式上沒有被統一寫在某一個地方  而是分散存在於各地方
例如各種習慣  法院判例  國際條約等等
但是，不成文的東西都是大家都認可

這篇講的東西  大家都有認可嗎？  光是A-ROD事件  就已經分好幾派了
這算哪門子的不成文規定阿
更何況unwritten是指沒有被寫下來的  完全跟不成文是不同意思

unwritten  我認為是想說大家都知道  （不一定大家都認可）  但無法浮上台面的規定
我之所以翻成不能說  因為有所謂的政治正確這種東西
有些東西也許是對的  但是就是不能講出來
不就跟某前法務部長一樣  因為把不能說的東西說出來  而只能拍拍屁股走人


所以說  每個人都對這些「規定」有各自的看法
在還沒納入MLB正式規則裡面之前   永遠都是公說公有理  婆說婆有理

※ 編輯: claus           來自: 111.240.148.63       (05/06 19:53)

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