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※ 本文為 kulinomi 轉寄自 ptt.cc 更新時間: 2012-05-20 17:46:05
看板 Jeremy_Lin
作者 silviasun (silviasun)
標題 [外絮] 紐約打球大不易,林書豪該走還是留?
時間 Sat May 19 21:34:57 2012




這篇不是美媒新聞,而是版友PTT0000在RealGM尼克隊版中一篇「如果林書豪離開尼克,
你會繼續支持尼克隊嗎?」的討論中發現的網友回文,原文請見http://ppt.cc/q@wE


這位GeetinitDone網友針對Kane2021落落長的發言有所回應,在Kane2021的留言裡,
他覺得Lin將無法負荷紐約媒體和球迷所強加的高度期望,加上球團所著眼的不是他
的球技而是場外的商業利益,更會加速Lin的崩壞,因此沒必要花中產把一位原本就
要被揮棄的球員簽下……etc.。(有興趣的版友可以去看原文,非常的長 = =)



而GeetinitDone網友以數據說話加上他對Lin的人格分析,雖然是一家之言,
但也許可以給大家更多思考的角度,還有他描寫的紐約球迷生態,也有一針見血
的快感與趣味。


文中不免會提到別的球員,大家就放輕鬆別在意太多啦~同樣的,翻譯如有任何錯誤
請不吝指正


以下開始正文

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By GettinitDone


I agree to your post if Lin was just like most players who crumble under
pressure. There are only a few players who rise to the occasion consistently.
Not even LeBron James, 3 time MVP, can ignore pressure, he chose the easiest
route in Miami rather than stay in Cleveland or go to New York. He avoids
pressure of winning championship by himself. However Lin is not just like
most players if you consider:

我同意你的觀點,但前題是Lin真如你留言中提到那些不堪壓力而崩潰的球員一樣。
少有球員能夠面對突發狀況處變不驚,就算是3屆MVP得主的LBJ也不可能無視壓力……。
然而以下幾點可以說明Lin和你提到的那些球員不一樣:



1.) He's essentially a rookie this season, having never played significant
minutes in Golden State. How do teams normally treat their talented/ prized
rookies? In Cleveland, folks there tell their rookie PG: "you can take it
easy Kyrie, we are not expected to win, take it easy, game by game, we want
you to grow into superstar eventually, but we would understand and tolerate
growing pains." To Irving's credit, he blossomed into a star quickly, but
that was in a setting with little to no pressure with green lights to play
through bad games.

1. 從在金州勇士隊那少之又少的上場時間來看,本季其實可以算做是他的菜鳥年。

一般球隊是如何對待那些有天賦/或獎項加身的菜鳥們呢?在克里夫蘭騎士隊,人們會
跟他們的菜鳥控衛Kyrie Irving說:「Kyrie放輕鬆,我們不會要求你每場都拿下勝利,
你只要一場一場好好打,在你最終成為超級明星球員之前,我們可理解並忍耐那些成長

過程中所必須付出的代價。」Irving也不負眾望,迅速地成為耀眼的新星,但他在場上表

現不佳時,也不會有過多苛責。



In New York? "Jeremy, Toney can't play PG, Baron won't play for another
month, cmon let's go, let's go, this is your ONLY ONE shot, show us what
you got." Scored 25 pts against Nets. "Scored 25pts? Good, good, you're
named starter next game vs. Jazz. We don't have Amare. Melo needs someone
to give him the ball. We're gonna give you the ball a lot." Responded with
28 pts & 8 assists vs Jazz. And then went on the road to dominate Wall &
Wizards with 23 pts & 10 assists. Returning home to face the Lakers
game in a highly-anticipated, front-page NY Daily News, nationally-televised
game 38 pts and 7 assists, and then Raptors with 27pts & 11 assists.
And we know the rest.

那麼紐約的情況又是如何呢?「Jeremy,Toney打不了控衛,Baron要繼續休養到下個月,
你現在就給我上場,這是你『唯一的』機會,讓我們看看你的本事吧!」然後籃網那場
他拿了25分。「25分?唉呦,不錯喔!下一場對爵士你是先發,阿罵不會上場,然後
需要有人給瓜瓜餵球,這一場我們會把很多球丟給你。」然後是28分8助攻。接下來客場
戰巫師,擊敗John Wall拿下23分10助攻。第4場對湖人的比賽,在NY Daily News頭版
報導、全國轉播的推波助瀾下,未開打就成為熱門話題,而Lin狂砍38分7助攻;
對上暴龍繼續拿下27分11助攻,而接下來的故事大家都知道了。



In small-market teams, he would have been their God, loved and protected.
In NY, however God you are, it seems like the Knicks fanbase is still eager
to dissect God with knives any chance it got. "Oh Jeremy was another player
who was almost cut and desperate to prove he belonged in the L. He HAD to
have those games to prove he belongs. He plays in desperation, he's nothing
special. Anyone in his situation would have done the same."

如果這事發生在小市場的球隊裡,Lin一定會被當成神在拜,受到所有人的保護和熱愛。
然而在紐約,就算你是神,在尼克的球迷群體裡,只要一有機會他們無不爭先恐後地拿
刀將你解剖得體無完膚。「Jeremy只是又一個工作不保、拼死要證明他有辦法打NBA的
球員;他「必須」贏得那些比賽證明自己的能力。他一點都不特別,他只是豁出去打球
罷了,任何一位跟他面臨同樣狀況的球員也會打出相同的成績。」





But lost in the shuffle was they're forgetting the fact that Lin was
essentially a ROOKIE thrown straight into FIRE, playing 40 MINUTES, playing
BRUTAL lock-out SCHEDULE, playing for a coach who has lost his players,
a coach who practically begged him to take the team, and he somehow did,
rallying the team to 7 straight wins and playing with one of the most
fun/ best camaraderie a team had this season, opposing PGs/ teams increasingly
TARGETING and PHYSICALLY ABUSING him, playing in BIGGEST MARKET/ most
HUNGRY/ IMPATIENT-PSYCHO-ANGRY/ WIN-HUNGRIEST FANBASE on earth with
BILLIONS OF FANS WORLDWIDE (most being asians) expecting and hoping he would
play well. No tolerance, no taking it easy, no growing pains like Cleveland
nurtures Kyrie or even LeBron back in 2003. Just straight HELL FIRE.
So, you're a rookie? So, we're New Yorkers, we DON'T CARE you're a rookie.
You're a PG, you're young, so (we ASSUME) you CAN penetrate, pass, shoot,
and do EVERYTHING for our team, we want to WIN NOW, we EXPECT NO LESS.
New York acknowledges no rookies, New York only acknowledges players: g
ood and bad. There's no excuse for "bad". Bad game against Heat, what bad
player! Rookie? They don't even know the word. Play through mistakes??
No such thing. You're either Ewing or Curry... Frazier or Toney.

但被忽略掉的事實是,Lin這個可以算做是菜鳥球員的人是被硬生生的推上火線,
在封館結束後的殘酷賽程中,每場打40分鐘,為一個兵源不足、幾乎是求他帶領球隊
的教練打球,然而他不知怎麼的也做到了,重整了球隊拿下7連勝,打出了也許是本季
最有趣也最有團隊精神的比賽;對抗其他PG們/球隊越來越明顯的針對性打法與暴虐的
肢體壓迫;他不但要面對全美最大的市場和地球上最沒有耐心、瘋狂又憤怒、對勝利
如此饑渴的球迷,還有數以億計、對他寄與厚望的全世界粉絲(大部分是亞洲人)。


零容忍、也沒有什麼「放輕鬆」,不會像騎士養Kyrie或2003年LBJ剛進聯盟時一樣接受

成長的代價,我們只是直接將Lin推入地獄之火。所以菜鳥又怎樣?我們是「紐約客」
耶,我們哪管你是菜鳥還是老鳥啊!你是控衛,而且年輕,因此(我們想當然爾)
你「會」切入、傳球、投射,為我們的球隊付出一切,我們現在就要贏球,沒有第二種
選項!紐約沒在管菜鳥不菜鳥的,你只要上了場你就是球員--只有好或壞之差。
對於「壞」這個字沒有任何藉口,對熱火一戰打不好,喔~這球員真爛!
菜鳥?我想他們根本不認識這個字。在錯誤中學習?沒這回事。



Despite all typical New York PRESSURE/ ABUSE, he quietly had the most
points (136) and assists (44) in any player's first 5 starts. More than
Isaiah, Oscar, Magic or Stockton. And fanbase still wants 39 year old
former (yeah that was 7 years ago) MVP Nash over him.

即便在所有典型的紐約式壓力/摧殘之下,他平靜地在生涯5場先發中拿下136分
和44次助攻,比許多老前輩們的生涯首5場先發數字還要好,然而球迷們還是希望
39歲、7年前拿下MVP的飄髮哥來取代他。




2.) He plays better when it matters most. It all went back to his first
breakout game, and the "hidden" pressure that he faced without fanbase
realizing the gravity of pressure that Lin had to face every game.

2.壓力越大他的表現越好


讓我們重回他爆發的第一場,讓我們看看那些他曾面臨的「隱性」壓力。


- Against Nets: 25 pts & 7 assists while being fully aware that if he
didn't produce he'd likely be cut on the same day.

2/5籃網:在徹底覺悟如果無法對球隊做出有效貢獻就會被裁掉的當天,
他拿下25分7助攻


- Against Jazz: 28 pts & 8 assists fully aware that he was named starter
for the first time (pressure to perform), and FO still skeptical about Nets
"fluke" game and still strongly considering cutting him.

2/6爵士:生涯首場先發(可想而知有表現的壓力),高層仍懷疑他對籃網一役的爆發
只是僥倖,裁掉他的可能性還是很高,他拿下28分8助攻。


- Against Wizards: 23 pts & 10 assists, fully aware the Knicks went to him
on every play with Melo/ Amare out.

2/8巫師:在沒有瓜瓜和阿罵的情況下帶領球隊。拿下23分10助攻


- Against Lakers: 38 pts & 7 assists in his toughest test, front-page-news
pre-game off the roof anticipation/ expectation wise and performance wise,
fully aware that if he didn't play well he'd be labeled as any other player
who has 3 breakout games and fades when it matters most. He didn't.

2/10湖人:到那個時候為止最艱難的一役,報紙頭條、賽前對他超高的預測和期待,
他知道一旦打不好他就會被歸類成那些只爆發3場然後像流星一樣迅速消失的球員。
但是他挺了過來,拿下38分7助攻



- Then, in another nationally-televised Mavs game: 28pts & 14 assists with
Marion, who had shut down Rubio and other opposing PGs for the
7-straight-winning Mavs on him all game.

然後是再一次的全美電視轉播,2/20小牛:在全場緊迫盯人之下,拿下28分14助攻


- Against Bucks: 20 pts & 13 assists, and barked at Amare for not boxing
out Ilyasova, who put in game-sealing tip in. The courage of a rookie to
yell at a maximum-salary All Star veteran for failing to do little things
that win games.

3/10公鹿:20分13助攻。為了阿罵沒有防守住Ilyasova一個關鍵進球而咆哮出聲。
一個菜鳥擁有對領聯盟頂薪的全明星球員吼叫的勇氣,這份勇氣將能幫他贏得比賽。


- Against Pacers on the road: clutch free throws in 4th to seal win.

3/18溜馬:抓住第4節的罰球機會帶領球隊贏球


- Against 76ers: 1-10 entering 4th quarter and straight ballin in 4th
to win game. And it went on and on...

3/22 費城76人:前3節投10中1,第4節靠罰球奠定勝基。此外能說的還有許多許多……



Here's the thing, instead of feeling sorry for himself "I'm just a rookie,
I'm not supposed to play at this level yet, they'd understand", he says
"this is the level of play New York wants me to play, so that's the level
I'm going to play."

比起為自己開脫說出:「我只是菜鳥,人們可以理解我的表現不如預期」這類發言,
Lin說的則是「紐約期待我打出這樣的水準,而我也同樣如此要求自己。」



As they all say, if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere.
He made it as a rookie.

人們都說如果你能在紐約成功,在其他地方也同樣行。他以菜鳥的身分做到了。




3.) He has mad work ethic. He's too busy working out to notice pressure.
2:14 - "My biggest fear is coming back being as good, that's my biggest
fear, I need to be a lot better, and make sure I am a lot better and a
lot healthier, and that's my focus for the off-season."


3.他擁有卓越的職業道德。他會忙於訓練而無視壓力存在。


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BAHTdxBzEGg

在以上這段訪問中的2分14秒處他提到:「我最大的恐懼是我下一季的表現跟這
一季一樣,我必須提昇球技讓自己成為更好的球員,也必須讓自己更健康,這是我在
休賽期間的重點功課。」



A lot of players would have said, "I had a pretty good year (14 points,
6 assists per game). My focus is just to get healthy now". Lin actually
fears going into next season not improved. Few players have concerns if they
do not improve in the off-season, let alone "fear". He pretty much makes
improvement his priority.

很多球員會在季後訪問時說:「我這一年打得不錯(每場平均14分6助攻),現在的重點
是恢復健康。」Lin真的「害怕」下一季的表現沒有進步,少數球員會擔心休賽季中沒有
進步,但還不至於到「恐懼」的地步。由此可見,他的確是把加強球技做為第一優先。



2:35 - Reporter: "what do you need to do to take that next step?"
Lin: "A lot, a little bit of everything, I don't think I've mastered
anything, first and foremost is my health, getting everything right,
getting balanced in my body, getting everything healthy, becoming explosive,
and then from there catch-and-shoots, passing, limiting my turnovers,
reading the game, imagining the flow of the game, getting stronger,
defense. I have had some highs, and I have also had my struggles that
remind me how much further I have to go."

2分35秒記者問到:「你的下一個計劃是?」Lin說:「很多,每個部份都要加強,
我不認為我現在有精通哪一個部分。首先、也是最重要的就是我的健康,
恢復正常狀態,增加我的平衡感、變得更有爆發力,然後加強接到球就射的能力、
傳球、降低失誤、增加閱讀比賽的能力、變得更強、當然還有防守的部分。本季我有
一些不錯的表現,但同時那些掙扎與低潮讓我知道我還有很大的進步空間。」



If you look at his response, I like that:

1.) It's a straight answer. That he already KNOWS the answer to that
question. A lot of players would think the question in their head and come
with answer a few seconds later. The reason why Lin already KNOWS the answer?
He ALREADY planned what he needs to do to take that next step.

2.) I like that he went into details on the "plan", because a real plan is
a summary of elaborate strategies. It just means Lin ALREADY has a real
plan to take that next step.

關於他的發言,我喜歡以下幾個部分

1.這是直覺性的回答,意思就是他已經知道問題的答案。很多球員會花上幾秒的時間來
回答這個問題,Lin會答得這麼快就表示他已經計畫好下一步了。

2.我喜歡他把他的計畫說得如此詳細,這表示他已經開始規畫細節,只等待付諸行動了




Based on that, I know Lin is not only a hard worker, he's a smart worker.
He has a vision of where he wants to be and how he needs to get there.
You combined both into a genius, Kobe-like tireless gym rat.

Like Arne Duncan, the guy who did Lin's 100 most influential Time entry
said, "Contrary to what you might read, Jeremy, 23, is no overnight sensation.
In fact, he achieved success the old-fashioned way: he earned it."

He earned it on gym, and if he has game plan what to improve, he will surely
become a better player.

有鑑於以上這些,我相信Lin是個勤奮而且聰明的努力家,他知道自己要到達什麼樣的
程度,並且懂得如何提升自己。試著想像一個充滿天份然後像Kobe一樣都不會累
的健身狂吧。

如同Arne Duncan在Time百大推薦文中寫到:「跟你之前所讀到可能不一樣,
林書豪(23)並非一蹴可幾。事實上,他和所有的成功例子一樣,他實至名歸。」
(這部分節錄自etintin版友的翻譯,感謝)

他的一切成就來自健身房裡的揮汗鍛練,如果現在他有了明確的強化計畫,他肯定會成為
一個更好的球員。




Have faith, kane, for if there was one guy who can stand up to New York
pressure, based on 3 points I made above, I would have to say it's Lin.
He has responded well to hype and pressure so far as a ROOKIE. And if there
was one player who would not be driven mad to New York fans' unforgiving,
absolutely conditional-love opinions, it would be Lin, for he cares not
about people's opinions but his God's (this is coming from non Christian).

根據我以上提出的三個論點,擁有信仰和紀律,可以承受紐約式壓力的男子,我想
就只有Lin。做為一個「菜鳥」,他已經證明在高度壓力下仍能表現良好。如果要找
一個球員不會被紐約球迷那無情的、或是出自有條件的愛之下的批評而逼瘋,那也
將是Lin,因為除了上帝他不會在意人們的意見(我可不是基督徒喔)。




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jaykinki:推!!!!1F 05/19 21:38
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ab32110:推 感謝翻譯 好有愛的文章喔11F 05/19 21:46
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sarahls:感謝翻譯~~這篇很棒!!! :)13F 05/19 21:47
bluesunflowe:感謝翻譯!!這篇寫的真棒~~~14F 05/19 21:47
JemyLin:推翻譯15F 05/19 21:51
silviasun:哈哈~我也覺得這個網友超有愛的XDDDDD16F 05/19 22:01
lilactime:寫得真好...QQ 感謝翻譯!17F 05/19 22:01
PTT0000:感謝si大的熱情翻譯!>////<18F 05/19 22:02
PTT0000:說真的,當時我看到這個網友的留言時,都感動得快哭了!
PTT0000:想像Lin是在怎麼樣的壓力與期待下打球,許多球迷根本不是
PTT0000:以菜鳥的眼光看他,零容忍,沒耐心,不像某些小市場球隊,
PTT0000:慢慢地呵護培養新秀成長~而他還能在球場上有這樣的表現,
PTT0000:真的很厲害,很厲害!我佩服他
shinobilin:哭了~~~24F 05/19 22:03
ab32110:這跟總版某篇幹籃哥報怨自己被太放大檢視是一樣的意思吧25F 05/19 22:05
PTT0000:結果Lin打成這樣,紐約還是有一群球迷想用Nash取代他26F 05/19 22:05
PTT0000:說真的,替他感到委屈QQ(他自己可能不這麼想啦XD)
wuling1001:推翻譯 我相信Lin經得起考驗 他的努力和抗壓性超乎常人28F 05/19 22:06
qfyjke54:我第一場看的是湖人那場 當時只覺得好厲害 壓根沒想到他29F 05/19 22:06
PTT0000:ab大,就像這個作者說的,別的菜鳥會抱怨自己被放大檢視30F 05/19 22:07
PTT0000:可是Lin不會,他只會默默背負這些期待與壓力
wuling1001:啾咪我好想看你打球!  好想告白啊啊啊啊啊啊啊!!!!!> <32F 05/19 22:07
qfyjke54:是在怎樣的壓力下打出來的.........33F 05/19 22:07
PTT0000:湖人那場全國轉播,紐媒拿他跟Kobe當頭版,如果打不好,34F 05/19 22:08
PTT0000:一定被笑是泡沫 ><
spittz:喔喔喔喔喔喔翻譯出來了~~~~~~~大感謝~~~~~~~~36F 05/19 22:17
spittz:還好啦,湖人那場不管是美國還是ptt鄉民都覺得輸正常,贏大
spittz:賺....XD
wuling1001:湖人那場應該是KOBE壓力比較大 XD39F 05/19 22:19
spittz:不過湖人打贏、暴龍絕殺後大家對他的期待就整個不一樣了40F 05/19 22:19
dalepp:那場賽前幾乎一面倒的看輸,只是輸多輸少:)41F 05/19 22:19
qfyjke54:我整個就很遲鈍完全沒意識到對湖人38分是什麼意思orz42F 05/19 22:20
osape:記得因為KB曾在MSG最高砍下60分,場均30分,他說過最喜歡在43F 05/19 22:21
wuling1001:還記得媒體賽前標是是Lin Who? 賽完變 Kobe Who? 超妙44F 05/19 22:22
osape:MSG打球(又有媒體關注又能贏球...)那場兩大主力不在家45F 05/19 22:22
wuling1001:                 題46F 05/19 22:22
yun0215:所有球星都喜歡去MSG打球吧...鎂光燈照的很爽XD47F 05/19 22:25
yun0215:大家都會爆氣....XDDD
osape:更正: 最高61分。尼克有一段時間沒贏過湖人了...49F 05/19 22:31
essendo:謝謝翻譯 這篇真的很棒:)50F 05/19 22:34
caremelsosad:謝謝翻譯!! lin的心理素質真的是無價啊!!但紐約客真51F 05/19 22:41
caremelsosad:的沒有耐性等吧...orz
inkbox:感謝翻譯!! 這篇真該給紐約球迷看一看>"<53F 05/19 22:42
edith19:翻譯辛苦了!Lin的心理素質真的很值得稱讚!54F 05/19 22:46
plzsmile:感謝翻譯!這篇太棒了~  Lin總是能將壓力轉化為助力!55F 05/19 22:52
plzsmile:希望他能找到真正珍惜他才能的球隊,這是他應得的!!
DavidJam:這篇文真的分析的太透徹了.....57F 05/19 23:01
kaoru0423:感謝翻譯 超讚的一篇文 ^^58F 05/19 23:05
dadadeng:夭壽骨翻譯的真好,我的確是希望他離開嗜血的紐約59F 05/19 23:18
koenigii:辛苦了!!真的翻的很好!謝謝!原文分析精闢!!真的寫得很棒!60F 05/19 23:19
rebecca127:寫得真好:) 感謝翻譯 只有祝福Lin把壓力全都變成正能量61F 05/19 23:24
osape:NASH那一段我不太同意啦,我對NASH沒興趣,但當初RUMOR出來62F 05/19 23:25
osape:也很多LIN迷(?)希望NASH來NY教LIN...只能說NASH魅力太強吧
osape:NY球迷很多種類,LIN在G5是否復出,ESPN在NY街頭訪問尼克迷
osape:每一位都以LIN的健康為優先。不必特別製造地區或球迷的對立
nancyh:感動QQ  推這篇很好的論點! 也很感謝翻譯!66F 05/19 23:36
renie57:原作者寫得真好,感謝翻譯!!!67F 05/19 23:47
javabird:其實我現在會不想要林待在尼克主要就是感覺這個隊沒耐心68F 05/19 23:59
javabird:培養球員,要求高,一直希望擁有即戰力,不容犯錯或撞牆,看
javabird:LF的得票率就知道.
osape:LF投票是網路投票,沒有限NY的IP,誰都可以投71F 05/20 00:02
osape:但ESPN投票想要留LF的占大多數,不知道你說LF得票率是哪個?
javabird:誰都可以投的結果反應地如此接近尼克的現實也可說明會投73F 05/20 00:03
javabird:票的大多都是關心尼克的人.會來亂的不太可能.
osape:但ESPN和NYPOST都想要LF留下來啊,所以你在說哪個投票???75F 05/20 00:04
javabird:沒看最後結果,後來變了嗎?76F 05/20 00:05
osape:LF得票率一直都很高啊...是JR比較倒楣吧,G5打得不好就被罵77F 05/20 00:07
osape:ESPN作者因為大家都要留LF還特別寫一篇NYK如何留下LF的分析
ab32110:JR挺倒楣是真的......不過LF有高嗎??? 後來沒去看79F 05/20 00:08
osape:http://tinyurl.com/bqhuvjx 作者寫文時有52%要留LF80F 05/20 00:12
Keep Landry Fields? - Knicks Blog - ESPN New York
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According to our Take 'Em/Trash 'Em poll, that's what you guys want to do. Of the more than 13,000 votes, 52 percent are in favor of holding on to Fi ...
 
javabird:去看了espn的:54/46一半一半,不算高,先發中最低的,跟阿罵81F 05/20 00:13
javabird:差不多了.
faseno:謝謝翻譯,我好喜歡^^83F 05/20 00:13
osape:現在也有54%,像LIN那樣93%很難(13,000votes)84F 05/20 00:14
javabird:這種比率應解讀為球迷認為:可有可無.85F 05/20 00:14
osape:但很多LIN迷也去投(我有投),要歸為NY迷沒耐性很牽強86F 05/20 00:16
javabird:除了阿罵跟LF,其他先發都是八成以上了,剛好過半真不算高.87F 05/20 00:16
osape:這投票沒有地域限制,與其說NY沒耐性,不如說尼克迷(含海外)88F 05/20 00:16
osape:沒耐性。
javabird:Josh有八成贊同,連幾乎沒上場的大JJ都有六成,這樣還不能90F 05/20 00:17
javabird:解讀成我說的那樣,我只能說是跟你觀念不同了,沒話說.
osape:量化研究要考慮樣本來源,網路投票的樣本來源複雜92F 05/20 00:19
osape:沒有地域侷限,樣本不僅限於NY,所以不能推論NY球迷
etintin:觀點不同吧 因為JJ和Josh本來就是板凳 也非第六人 再者是94F 05/20 00:21
etintin:替補 可以分擔先發  只要不要表現太差 都會希望留
etintin:這時候用一句話來形容"能力越強  責任越大"
osape:籃球和棒球球迷地域性不同,棒球好像比較有地區意識97F 05/20 00:22
osape:籃球則是隨球星轉隊而移動,總板有一篇籃球迷地域分布
osape:西岸的快艇迷居然主要分布在東岸,真是非常有趣
javabird:無所謂,有人認為紐約人有耐心,有人不認為,就這樣而已.100F 05/20 00:23
yatin:這篇真得好棒~謝謝翻譯!!101F 05/20 00:23
osape:我沒有說NY有耐心,但我認為沒有確實資料不必特別罵NY人102F 05/20 00:24
javabird:這篇的作者也在罵紐約人嗎?我只是說出我的看法,何況我相103F 05/20 00:25
javabird:信對紐約人有這種觀點的不在少數,何必說我罵人?
osape:抱歉,修正一下:沒有確實資料不必特別說NY人沒耐性105F 05/20 00:28
osape:ESPN的LF我也投了一票,那並不表示我認為LF可有可無
javabird:這篇作者也沒特別的資料,他也說了NY人"零容忍".107F 05/20 00:31
osape:所以我並不很同意這篇作者觀點...108F 05/20 00:31
javabird:你可以跟我有不同的看法,但請不要跟我說什麼不要說,這是109F 05/20 00:32
javabird:言論自由的世界,我可以有我的看法,請尊重!
osape:我並沒有針對你,我只是提出我的看法,也請你尊重,謝謝111F 05/20 00:34
javabird:我沒有不尊重你,我上面說了跟你觀點不同,沒話說,我可沒要112F 05/20 00:35
javabird:你不要說.
ilovego:推翻譯,這篇寫得很感人,作者很有愛114F 05/20 00:50
etintin:剛在看了一下 有我耶!!!  謝謝你和不客氣115F 05/20 00:53
sedna:翻的好棒!原作者還有一篇說林也許是聯盟最佳四分衛的影音文116F 05/20 01:59
sedna:整理的很好,s大有沒有興趣也轉過來呀…
fairysan:感謝翻譯,文章感動的我看完都落淚,LIN是個進取的好球員!118F 05/20 02:18
sharonsh:謝謝翻譯....真的看得很感動....119F 05/20 02:22
mamimi:謝謝翻譯,文章寫得真好!!!120F 05/20 03:33
wurenben:我覺得球迷還好,尼克都爛麼多年了..恐怖的是媒體121F 05/20 08:16
tubryan:感謝翻譯!!122F 05/20 09:25
chin0505:大推!!!這篇是好文章阿123F 05/20 09:48
ab12:NY挑戰性很高,但我相信Lin會戰勝NY、征服NY迷124F 05/20 10:02
lsgkkll:看完只能給個讚!125F 05/20 10:10
LinRo:感謝翻譯,看得超級感動QQ126F 05/20 10:18
figure8:這篇寫的很好又好笑,謝謝翻譯。127F 05/20 11:23
wglbsw:感謝翻譯 恐怖的是媒體+1 球迷的眼光還是雪亮的!!!128F 05/20 11:32
wglbsw:LIN在勇士當吉祥物...期間 壓力也不小 自我要求超大
jojomickey2:好文~還是去別的地方打球比較好吧~武僧都說不一定先發130F 05/20 11:40
kerotamama:再來推一次XD 這篇重點覺得是在講啾咪的個人特質131F 05/20 11:42
kerotamama:我也相信他不管去哪裡打球 只要給他機會一定都會成功
cow1231ya:好棒 Q_Q 我都快哭了!謝謝翻譯^^133F 05/20 11:46
wylscott:神翻譯!! 感謝~134F 05/20 13:02
hesione:其實不只是媒體 紐約這個城市就是這樣 身為一個在這邊生活135F 05/20 14:28
hesione:一陣子的人 我只能說 這是一個偉大但是絕對殘酷的城市
hesione:雖然因為私心 希望lin能留在這裡 但是另一方面 我也感到不
hesione:忍... 能在這裡生存的 都得有超乎常人的堅強心智
stbl:說得真好  希望Lin離開這可怕又殘忍的紐約...沒這麼多鎂光燈139F 05/20 14:39
goury:紐約球迷很可怕,但紐約尼克球團更恐怖 真的...140F 05/20 14:45
goury:同樣是鎂光燈焦點寧可他去LA Lakers。Kobe再獨也沒兩三年了
goury:剛好Lin可以趁這幾年練功成長,最後接下LA的鎂光燈焦點啊 XD
yun0215:湖人薪資空間能解決的話再說吧XD143F 05/20 14:58
khiphop3:真的覺得LIN如果轉到別隊或許會有更好的發展機會144F 05/20 15:30
khiphop3:紐約是個吃人的地方阿 看看受傷就被踢出去的大樹吧
ab32110:吃人的地方+1.....然後WALSH又被換掉了QQ 未來的補強讓我146F 05/20 16:21
ab32110:很擔憂啊.....雖然也沒啥前可以補了囧 只能簽樂透了T^T
suzan:很讚的文 感謝翻譯~~148F 05/20 17:16

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1樓 時間: 2012-05-20 02:59:28 (台灣)
  05-20 02:59 TW
寫的超讚!!謝謝翻譯!! lin的心理素質真的很棒!一般人真的會被逼瘋八...可是lin感覺一直很鎮定  不管是對批評還是吹捧...感覺他還是在做他自己  一樣愛吃、一樣穿著襪子加拖鞋就趴趴走XDD
2樓 時間: 2012-05-20 03:12:51 (台灣)
  05-20 03:12 TW
不過我覺的紐約客其實對他很好了!!對瓜瓜才真的是零容忍...可憐的瓜瓜...
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