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作者 Axwell (Axwell)
標題 [分享] ESPN:水原一平事件 時間線
時間 Sat Mar 23 05:49:06 2024


ESPN發布這禮拜關於水原事件的時間線(到賽後球員會議為止
陳述這幾天下來的所有細節
以下日期均為美國時間


3/17

7:30 p.m. ET Sunday (8:30 a.m. Monday in Seoul, South Korea): According to a
Major League Baseball source, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred, while in South
Korea preparing for the season-opening series between the Dodgers and the San
Diego Padres, learns something is happening concerning Ohtani.

週日晚上7點30分(週一上午8點30分,韓國首爾): 根據一位大聯盟棒球消息人士,當時正在
韓國準備道奇隊和教士隊開季賽系列賽的大聯盟主席羅伯.曼福德,得知有關大谷翔平的某
種狀況正在發生。


A source would later say MLB started seeking answers from federal authorities
in California early Monday but received no response.

一位消息來源後來表示,MLB在週一一早就開始向加州聯邦當局尋求答復,但未獲回覆。


3/18

3 p.m. ET Monday (4 a.m. Tuesday in Seoul): ESPN contacts Ohtani's agent, Nez
Balelo, to ask about information it has found, including that Ohtani's name
appeared to be on two wire transfers totaling $1 million. The transfers had
been sent last September and October to the Southern California bookmaking
operation of Mathew Bowyer. ESPN receives no immediate response.

週一下午3點(週二凌晨4點,首爾): ESPN聯繫大谷的經紀人Nez Balelo,詢問他們所獲得的
資訊,包括大谷的名字似乎出現在去年9月和10月總計100萬美元的兩筆電匯中,匯款對象是
南加州賭博集團的Mathew Bowyer,但ESPN沒有立即獲得回覆。


5:30 p.m. ET Monday (6:30 a.m. Tuesday in Seoul): A crisis-communications
spokesman for Ohtani, who had just been hired, responds to ESPN. Over the
next several hours, he and an ESPN reporter will talk at various times as the
spokesman says he is getting up to speed on information from the Ohtani camp.

週一下午5點30分(週二凌晨6點30分,首爾): 剛被大谷僱用的危機公關發言人回應了ESPN
。在接下來的數小時裡,他和一名ESPN記者不時交談,這名發言人表示自己正在從大谷陣營
獲取最新資訊。


8:30 p.m. ET Monday (9:30 a.m. Tuesday in Seoul): The spokesman for the first
time says Ohtani paid the debts on behalf of Mizuhara. He says Balelo, the
agent, went to Mizuhara, who "finally came clean to him and said that was the
truth," and that Ohtani told Balelo he had covered Mizuhara's debts in
$500,000 increments. It's not clear if the spokesman was saying Ohtani
communicated with Balelo through Mizuhara.

週一晚上8點30分(週二上午9點30分,首爾): 這名發言人首次透露,大谷是代水原一平支付
了債務。他表示,經紀人Balelo去找水原一平,後者"終於向他吐露了實情",而大谷則告訴
Balelo自己是分兩次每次50萬美元的方式支付水原一平的債務。不清楚發言人是否暗示大
谷是透過水原一平與Balelo溝通。


The spokesman quotes Ohtani as saying: "'Yeah, I sent several large payments.
That's the maximum amount I could send.'"

發言人引述大谷的原話:"'是的,我匯出了幾筆大額款項。那是我能匯出的最大金額。'"

The ESPN reporter, knowing the spokesman worked for Ohtani, wants to hear it
from Mizuhara. The spokesman says he will work on arranging that.

知道這名發言人是為大谷工作的ESPN記者,想要直接從水原一平那裡聽到這些話。發言人
表示他會設法安排。


3/19

9:05 p.m. ET Tuesday (10:05 a.m. Wednesday in Seoul): The Ohtani spokesman
confirms to ESPN that the gambling debt amounted to at least $4.5 million,
which ESPN had previously learned from other sources.

週二晚上9點05分(週三上午10點05分,首爾): 大谷的發言人向ESPN確認,賭債至少達450萬
美元,這個金額ESPN之前已從其他消息來源獲知。

10:30 p.m. ET Tuesday (11:30 a.m. Wednesday in Seoul): Mizuhara speaks with
an ESPN reporter by phone for 90 minutes from South Korea. The interview has
been arranged - and was attended - by the Ohtani spokesman.

週二晚上10點30分(週三上午11點30分,首爾): 在大谷發言人的安排和陪同下,水原一平在
韓國以電話接受了ESPN一個半小時的採訪。

Mizuhara tells ESPN he met Bowyer at a poker game in San Diego in 2021.
Atlanta Braves infielder David Fletcher, who was friends with Ohtani when
they both played for the Los Angeles Angels, had previously told ESPN that he
was present at the poker game, but he said he did not introduce the bookie
and interpreter. Fletcher and a source with knowledge's of Bowyer's operation
told ESPN that Bowyer gained admittance to the poker game at the team hotel
through an acquaintance of Fletcher's. Fletcher told ESPN he had met Bowyer
once before while playing golf, and that he had never placed a bet with
Bowyer's organization.

水原一平告訴ESPN,他是在2021年於聖地牙哥一場撲克賽事上認識Bowyer的。曾經效力於
天使隊與大谷是隊友的亞特蘭大勇士內野手David Fletcher之前告訴ESPN,他當時在場,但
沒有介紹這名賭徒和譯員認識。Fletcher和一位了解Bowyer集團運作的消息人士告訴

ESPN,Bowyer是透過Fletcher的一位熟人進入球隊酒店參加撲克賽的。Fletcher告訴ESPN,
他之前只在高爾夫球場見過Bowyer一次,而且他從未在Bowyer的集團下過注。

In the ESPN interview, Mizuhara says he started betting with Bowyer on credit
shortly after they met, placing wagers on several sports - but not baseball.
He says he had previously bet on DraftKings and didn't know Bowyer's
operation was illegal. At the time, his salary with the Angels was about
$85,000, he says, and by the end of 2022 he had lost over $1 million and was
borrowing money from friends and family.

在接受ESPN採訪時,水原一平表示,在認識Bowyer後不久便開始以賒賬方式在他那裡下注各
種運動項目,但不包括棒球賽事。他說自己之前曾在DraftKings下注,當時不知道Bowyer的
營運屬於非法。他說,當時他在天使隊的年薪大約8萬5千美元,到了2022年底,他已經輸掉
逾100萬美元,開始向親朋好友借錢渡日。


"I couldn't share this with Shohei. It was hard for me to make my ends meet.
I was going paycheck to paycheck," Mizuhara says. "Because I kind of had to
keep up with his lifestyle. But at the same time, I didn't want to tell him
this."

"我無法向大谷透露這件事。我很難維持生計,我當時是勉強度日,"水原一平說:"因為我得
跟上大谷的生活方式,但與此同時,我又不想告訴他這件事。"

He describes his relationship with Ohtani, whom he first met in 2013, as
"brothers," and says he spends more time with Ohtani than with his wife.

他形容與大谷的關係就像"親生兄弟",兩人自2013年相識以來,他和大谷相處的時間比和妻
子還多。

Mizuhara's debt ballooned to $4 million by early 2023, he tells ESPN, and
that's when he went to Ohtani for help. He says he feared losing Ohtani's
trust, and he also feared for his safety, that someone might come to his
house.

水原一平告訴ESPN,他的債務在2023年初已膨脹至400萬美元,這才向大谷求助。他說自己
一方面擔心失去大谷的信任,另一方面也怕有人上門討債。

"I explained my situation," he says. "And obviously he wasn't happy about it,
but he said he would help me."

"我向他解釋了我的處境,"他說:"顯然他對此不太高興,但他說會幫助我。"

Asked if Ohtani knew the person owed the money was a bookie, Mizuhara says
his friend "didn't have any clue."

當被問及大谷是否知道債主是賭徒時,水原一平回答說,他的朋友"完全不知情"。

"I just told him I need to send a wire to pay off the debt," Mizuhara says.
"He didn't ask if it was illegal, didn't question me about that."

"我只是告訴他,我需要匯款來償還債務,"水原一平說:"他沒有詢問這是否合法,也沒有對
此多加追問。"

Mizuhara says that, after Ohtani agreed to pay the debts, the two of them
logged into Ohtani's bank account on Ohtani's computer and sent eight or nine
transactions, each at $500,000, over several months. They added "loan" to the
description field in the transactions. Mizuhara estimates the final payment
was made in October.

水原一平表示,在大谷同意幫他償債後,兩人就登入大谷的電腦銀行帳戶,在數個月內匯出8
到9筆各50萬美元的款項,並在交易欄位上註明"貸款"。他估計最後一筆款項是在去年10月
匯出。


Asked by ESPN if he thought he would be putting himself or Ohtani at risk by
asking Ohtani to pay the debts, Mizuhara says, "I don't think either of us
thought about that at the time at all."

當被ESPN問及,向大谷求助償債是否會為雙方帶來風險時,水原一平說:"當時我們根本沒想
過這個問題。"

Mizuhara declines to tell ESPN the full amount he lost gambling but confirms
it's at least $4.5 million. He calls it "embarrassing."

水原一平拒絕向ESPN透露準確輸掉多少賭資,但證實至少有450萬美元,他形容這件事"非常
難堪"。

"My wife doesn't even know about any of this until even right now," he says.

"就連我太太到現在都不知道這件事,"他說。

He says he felt uncomfortable and guilty for a few weeks after asking Ohtani
to pay back his debts, but that Ohtani moved on. "It was hard to see him,"
Mizuhara says, "He's a great guy and pretty much he went on with his life
like nothing ever happened."

在求助大谷幫忙還債後,他說自己有數週感到無所適從、內疚難當,但大谷似乎已將此事拋
諸腦後。"很難直視他,"水原一平說:"他人真是太好了,儘管如此,他好像什麼事也沒發生
過一樣,繼續過著自己的生活。"


Asked if he intended to pay back Ohtani, Mizuhara says he told his friend he
would. He adds that Ohtani has never gambled and "thinks gambling is
terrible."

當被問及是否打算將錢還給大谷時,水原一平表示他有這個打算。他又補充說,大谷從未賭
博過,"他認為賭博是件壞事"。

"He sees that people, teammates would be gambling all the time, and he'll be
like, 'Why are they doing this? Gambling is not good.' He would make comments
like that. People would ask him to go to casinos on road trips, and he would
never go. No, he's not into it."

"他看到隊友總是在賭博,就會說'為什麼要這樣做?賭博可不好。'他會這麼評論。有人會
在外地客場邀他去賭場,他從不去。不,他對賭博絕無興趣。"


3/20

6:05 a.m. ET Wednesday (7:05 p.m. in Seoul): The Dodgers open the 2024 season
against the Padres, winning 5-2. Ohtani gets two hits and is seen in the
dugout laughing with Mizuhara in the final minutes of the game.

週三上午6點05分(下午7點05分,首爾): 道奇隊以5比2擊敗教士隊,開啟2024年賽季。在比
賽最後幾分鐘,大谷被看見在休息室和水原一平開懷大笑。

9 a.m. ET Wednesday (10 p.m. in Seoul): An MLB source says officials are
aware of what Mizuhara told ESPN the previous night - that Ohtani had covered
his debts. The source says MLB still has not heard back from federal
authorities.

上午9點(晚上10點,首爾): 一位MLB消息人士表示,官員已獲知水原一平在前一晚對ESPN所
說的內容 - 就是大谷幫他償還債務,但MLB至今仍未獲得聯邦當局的回覆。

10 a.m. ET Wednesday (11 p.m. in Seoul): After the game, the Dodgers hold a
meeting in the clubhouse, where team owner Mark Walter tells the players a
negative story is coming, according to a team official later interviewed by
ESPN. Mizuhara apologizes, according to the official, and tells the team he
has a gambling addiction. A Dodgers executive, Andrew Friedman, stands up and
says Ohtani had helped to cover Mizuhara's losses, the team official and
others present said.

上午10點(晚上11點,首爾): 根據一位接受ESPN採訪的球隊內部人士,比賽結束後,球隊在
更衣室召開會議,道奇老闆Mark Walter告訴球員們,一則負面新聞即將曝光。據這名內部
人士透露,水原一平向全隊道歉,承認自己賭博成癮。一名道奇高階主管Andrew Friedman
則站起來表示,大谷確實幫水原一平支付了債務,據現場其他人說。


On the way back to the hotel, Ohtani starts asking questions about what had
been said in the clubhouse, the Ohtani spokesman told ESPN, and that's when
his representatives say Ohtani told them he didn't recognize Mizuhara's
version of the events. According to the Dodgers official and Ohtani's
spokesman, Ohtani's representatives had continued to rely on Mizuhara to
communicate with Ohtani while they were dealing with the situation, and
Mizuhara did not tell Ohtani what was happening.

回到酒店的路上,大谷開始詢問更衣室會議上說了些什麼,大谷的發言人後來告訴ESPN,這
時候大谷的代表們才發現,大谷對水原一平那些說法全然不知。根據那名道奇內部人士和
大谷發言人的說法,在應對這件事的過程中,大谷代表一直依賴水原一平與大谷溝通,但水
原一平並未將實情告知大谷。


According to the Ohtani spokesman, Ohtani discovers for the first time
Wednesday that money is missing from his account.

大谷發言人透露,直到週三,大谷才第一次發現自己的帳戶有錢被挪用。

11:32 a.m. ET Wednesday (12:32 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): Ohtani's spokesman
advises ESPN not to publish its story. "Ippei was lying," he says. "Shohei
didn't know." In a rapid series of phone calls that follow, the spokesman
emphasizes that all communication between Ohtani and his agent had gone
through Mizuhara.

上午11點32分(凌晨12點32分,首爾): 大谷的發言人建議ESPN不要發布這則新聞。他說:"
一平在撒謊,大谷一無所知。"在接下來的一連串通話中,發言人再三強調,大谷與經紀人溝
通都是透過水原一平。


1:15 p.m. ET Wednesday (2:15 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): Because of the
seriousness of that allegation and emerging inconsistencies in the accounts,
ESPN demands that Ohtani's spokesman go on the record with the theft
allegations and gives him a 1:45 p.m. deadline. The Ohtani spokesman says
Mizuhara is despondent and needs to explain his situation to his family, and
that attorneys are preparing a statement. The spokesman promises a statement
by 2 p.m.

下午1點15分(凌晨2點15分,首爾): 基於指控的嚴重性,加上各方說法出現矛盾,ESPN要求
大谷發言人正式對外證實有關挪用資金的指控,並給他下午1點45分的最後期限。發言人表
示,水原一平現在神情萎靡,需要向家人解釋目前的處境,而律師們也在準備一份聲明。發
言人允諾在下午2點前發布聲明。


2 p.m. ET Wednesday (3 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): Ohtani's lawyers at Berk
Brettler LLP issue a statement to ESPN: "In the course of responding to
recent media inquiries, we discovered that Shohei has been the victim of a
massive theft and we are turning the matter over to the authorities."

下午2點(凌晨3點,首爾): 大谷的律師事務所Berk Brettler LLP向ESPN發布聲明:"在回應
媒體的最新詢問過程中,我們發現大谷遭受大額資金被盜的情況,我們正將此案移交有關當
局處理。"


The Ohtani spokesman declines to answer further questions, and the statement
does not specify whom they believe perpetrated a theft.

大谷的發言人拒絕進一步回答問題,而這份聲明也沒有指明他們認為是誰挪用了資金。

2:30 p.m. ET Wednesday (3:30 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): The Dodgers fire
Mizuhara immediately after learning about the alleged theft, according to a
team official.

下午2點30分(凌晨3點30分,首爾): 在獲知指控後,道奇隊立即解雇了水原一平,據一名球
隊內部人士透露。

3:55 p.m. ET Wednesday (4:55 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): ESPN reaches Mizuhara
by phone. He says he had lied in his previous interview and walks back much
of what he had said. He tells ESPN Ohtani had no knowledge of his gambling
activities, debts or efforts to repay them.

下午3點55分(凌晨4點55分,首爾): ESPN以電話聯繫上水原一平。他表示,之前在採訪中所
說的大部分都是謊言,正在收回前言。他告訴ESPN,大谷對他的賭博行為、債務和償債過程
一無所知。


Asked if he had been accused of theft or embezzlement, he says he has been
told not to comment, but he declines to say by whom.

當被問及是否被控盜用或挪用資金時,他說有人告誡他不要置評,但沒有說明是誰。

"Obviously, this is all my fault, everything I've done," he said. "I'm ready
to face all the consequences."

"顯然,這一切都是我的錯,我所做的一切,"他說:"我已準備好承擔所有後果。"

When did Ohtani become aware of the situation?

大谷是什麼時候獲知這件事的?

"They told me I can't answer anything," he says.

"他們告訴我,這個問題我不能回答,"他說。

Ohtani's representatives? Are they representing you?

是大谷的代表嗎?他們現在是否也代表你?

"No."

"不是。"

Are you taking any form of payment to tell me these things?

你是否有任何形式的報酬來對我說這些話?

"No."

"沒有。"

Have you made any kind of agreement to say these things?

你是否做出任何承諾來說這些話?

"No."

"沒有。"

You're doing this of your own volition and free will?

那麼你是出於自願和自由意志說這些話的嗎?

"Yes."

"是。"

Did you bet on baseball?

你有在棒球項目上下注嗎?

"No"

"沒有。"

Did you lie to Shohei?

你有對大谷說謊嗎?

"Yes."

"有。"

ESPN asks if he has ever purposely misinformed Ohtani while interpreting the
issues the reporter is asking about. Mizuhara says: "No, I have never done
that."

ESPN詢問他是否曾在擔任大谷的翻譯時,針對記者詢問的這些議題有意誤導大谷。水原一
平回答說:"我從未這樣做過。"

The ESPN reporter texts him with a final question: Did you take the money
from Shohei's accounts without his knowledge?

ESPN記者最後以簡訊問他:你是否在未經大谷同意的情況下,從他的帳戶挪用資金?

There is no response.
但這條訊息沒有得到回覆。

4:13 p.m. ET Wednesday (5:13 a.m. Thursday in Seoul): The Ohtani spokesman
tells ESPN that what has actually happened in recent days is that Mizuhara
has been able to control information to Ohtani in his position as the
interpreter, and that Ohtani hadn't realized what was happening until the
postgame clubhouse meeting, when a new interpreter was brought in.

下午4點13分(凌晨5點13分,首爾): 大谷的發言人告訴ESPN,近日實際發生的情況是,憑著
擔任翻譯的職務,水原一平一直掌控著大谷獲知的資訊,因此直到更衣室會議、有新的翻譯
出現後,大谷才意識到事態的嚴重性。


"He didn't know any of it, didn't know there was some inquiry," the spokesman
says. "After the game, that's when he found out. ... He didn't know what the
f--- was going on."

"他完全不知情,不知道有任何調查,"發言人說:"直到賽後,他才發現到底發生了什麼事。
大谷他媽的完全不清楚到底怎麼一回事。"


https://reurl.cc/K4G4Oy
Shohei Ohtani, his interpreter and wire transfers: A timeline - ESPN
[圖]
How the firing of Shohei Ohtani's interpreter came to unfold publicly starts with a tip ESPN received several months ago. Here's how it all went down. ...

 


看完覺得超毛的阿

大聯盟在剛剛發表聲明,正式對此案展開調查

MLB statement: “Major League Baseball has been gathering information since we
 learned about the allegations involving Shohei Ohtani and Ippei Mizuhari from
 the news media. Earlier today, our Department of Investigations (DOI) began t
heir formal process investigating the matter.”


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LimpBizKids: 歹谷堪比北海道陳明文,高鐵掉300萬都可以裝死,匯450鎂無人知1F 03/23 05:52
Axwell:轉錄至看板 ShoheiOhtani                                  03/23 05:54
chyx741021: ESPN、MLB和道奇從不同管道得到的消息都是大谷替水原還債,結果那場內部會議開完後大谷方全不認了?3F 03/23 05:56
abc12812: 看專欄分析 如果還債是真那大谷就肯定要被禁賽了
因為轉帳給組頭這點直接違反聯盟規定5F 03/23 05:58
JoAdell: 會不認就是沒人跟大谷“本人”確認過 一直相信所謂的大谷方代表7F 03/23 05:59
flowerabby01: 好期待美國最後的調查9F 03/23 06:00
Axwell: 怎麼可能直接跟大谷確認?除非公權力介入之類的10F 03/23 06:01
Evan0498: 好像看懂了11F 03/23 06:02
Axwell: https://i.imgur.com/e8C0z6D.jpg 開始正式調查12F 03/23 06:02
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Evan0498: 如果或得資訊的管道是 大谷-水原-發言人 那大谷被騙是一個很合理的解釋13F 03/23 06:03
JoAdell: abc是故意裝傻? 還債是違反加州法律 聯盟只要不是本人賭 禁啥賽?15F 03/23 06:04
WasJohnWall: 那大概幫忙還錢是真的了17F 03/23 06:05
Evan0498: 不過如果大谷的發言人知道水原是當事人 還找他向大谷確認資訊也是很扯18F 03/23 06:05
jack78610: 總之,現在最羅生門的是大谷自己操作轉出錢,還是水原操作。20F 03/23 06:06
Friedman: 我不信大谷完全不知匯款還債之事 現在就看司法怎麼查了22F 03/23 06:10
polanco: 休息室事件的發展真的很詭異23F 03/23 06:10
Eriri: 如果水原有賭棒球 聯盟的規定是大谷也可能得禁賽24F 03/23 06:10
appshjkli: 笑死 昨天一堆人翻車
大谷什麼都不知道?嘻嘻25F 03/23 06:12
JoAdell: 不是本人賭禁啥賽?達比修親弟賭棒球 他有被禁賽?27F 03/23 06:13
WasJohnWall: 幫忙還錢就是註定被炸到了28F 03/23 06:14
Friedman: 大谷團隊和銀行都沒和本人確認?這太誇張 銀行端會被重罰29F 03/23 06:15
JoAdell: 對 幫忙還錢註定會被加州法律炸到30F 03/23 06:16
johnnyvcxz40: 我只能說現在兩邊都 急了 大聯盟要正式調查了31F 03/23 06:16
Eriri: 你可以去看前幾篇文 聯盟規定就這樣 大谷畢竟真的有現金流所以前幾篇一直在說水原有沒有賭棒球很重要 所以大谷方才開始試圖控告水原詐欺或竊盜32F 03/23 06:17
※ 編輯: Axwell (112.78.88.102 臺灣), 03/23/2024 06:20:53
WasJohnWall: 可能一開始講法就事實,後來修正是因為還錢會被炸到才改的35F 03/23 06:19
Eriri: 水原沒賭棒球的話 大谷哪怕真的主動匯款給組頭 大概最多就罰錢了事37F 03/23 06:19
sendtreepad: 水原可以全權代理大谷的話,銀行不向大谷而是水原確認的話,很正常啊,畢竟大谷英文沒好到可以跟銀行溝通這些金融詞彙術語吧39F 03/23 06:19
WasJohnWall: 比較好奇的是當初去藍鳥的話還會被掃到嗎 科科42F 03/23 06:20
Eriri: 因為水原已經不可信了 誰知道他到底有沒有賭棒球 不然本來幫忙還錢其實也沒什麼大事43F 03/23 06:20
johnnyvcxz40: 為何不會 就是在加州賭的 回過頭想雖然我鳥沒簽到很可惜 但也躲了一次公關危機45F 03/23 06:21
WasJohnWall: 沒賭棒球大概就罰錢結束47F 03/23 06:21
octopus4406: 這篇看起來像水原騙大谷幫忙還錢 但沒跟他說是什麼債但就他說的話不知道哪些屬實
水原老婆還真不知道喔 太可憐了吧48F 03/23 06:22
Friedman: 匯款到底是誰操作?只要有一筆大谷知情 那這切割就爛到笑51F 03/23 06:24
Axwell: 開開心心跟老公來韓國 結果52F 03/23 06:24
chyx741021: 水原說法是大谷知道是賭債,但不知道是匯給組頭53F 03/23 06:24
luntalk: 現實中,外國人在台灣辦事,無論哪個機關也是跟通譯確認「當事人」的意思,所以我不會覺得水原以大谷名義辦事是件不可能的事(雖然450萬美元消失本人不知道還是挺扯的)54F 03/23 06:24
WasJohnWall: 反正現在就是查一平有沒有碰棒球,沒碰的話都還好57F 03/23 06:25
kprince: 看內文大谷知道兩筆??但是實際上有8-9筆匯款嗎??58F 03/23 06:25
JoAdell: 水原沒對老婆講實話 很可能對大谷也沒講實話59F 03/23 06:25
kprince: 水原老婆超慘的,一起開心到韓國還被公開長相了耶....60F 03/23 06:26
sendtreepad: 1.大谷的帳戶的確有錢流入組頭帳戶。
2.大谷知道他的帳戶有錢進入別人的帳戶。
3.大谷知道也的確有幫水原還錢。
4.大谷不知道還了什麼錢。
這樣就可以成立大谷知道還了錢,但水
某人也有竊盜的情況61F 03/23 06:26
polanco: https://i.imgur.com/VhdvPWG.jpg 這樣看起來像是不知道是賭債餒67F 03/23 06:27
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Axwell: 水原老婆長相又不是甚麼秘密69F 03/23 06:27
sendtreepad: 水原老婆早就公開過了,不是韓國行才出來的70F 03/23 06:27
fireguard119: 因為信任吧,才沒有多加追問債務細節。71F 03/23 06:29
pmoqio: 大谷幫忙匯錢時一定是還很相信水原的,所以沒多過問72F 03/23 06:29
kprince: 之前有官方一起曝光過嗎??73F 03/23 06:29
takkieri: 依水原的意思,文章根本沒提到大谷知道水原欠賭債,只知道他有一筆債務74F 03/23 06:29
fireguard119: 哪知道是這麼龐大的賭債76F 03/23 06:29
pmoqio: 到後面才知道原來匯到組頭的帳號77F 03/23 06:30
octopus4406: 之前水原老婆被拍到好幾次但都不是官方亮相78F 03/23 06:31
pmoqio: 等到開完會才知道!啥原來我是匯錢給組頭79F 03/23 06:31
chartan: 整斷看起來 水原走頭無路 大谷義氣幫他還錢 大谷根本不80F 03/23 06:32
chyx741021: 可是之前水原說大谷不給現金是怕他再拿去賭,所以大谷應該是知道這是賭債,只是不知道是匯給組頭吧81F 03/23 06:32
chartan: 知道錢是匯給組頭  水原有賭一定有投注的資料 查一下就知道83F 03/23 06:32
pmoqio: 水原真的很該死!為了自保隱瞞關鍵訊息85F 03/23 06:32
vini770803: 水原陸續跟親朋好友借錢 但水原他父親不知道 ,那一定也是在說謊....水原賭博和盜用(大谷)別人帳戶錢這條跑不了..大谷可能也幫忙還債機率大增86F 03/23 06:32
pmoqio: 用大谷對他的信任耍得所有人團團轉89F 03/23 06:32
arthurhsu123: 太有戲了吧 可以拍電影了90F 03/23 06:33
Friedman: 但發言人強調大谷"一無所知" 若查出並非如此鐵定大地震91F 03/23 06:34
chartan: 水原騙大谷還賭債所以律師覺得這種就是挪用大谷金錢(因為大谷被騙)92F 03/23 06:34
vini770803: 水原老婆搞不好準備要跟她離婚吧!水原壓根也不能或也有能力還錢和找律師最後先面臨加州法律制裁94F 03/23 06:35
octopus4406: 如果一無所知 是有還錢但對還賭博債一無所知的話應該算過?96F 03/23 06:35
kprince: 如果大谷真的搞不清楚狀況,仔細想一想好可怕......身邊的人這樣利用你的信任與語言隔閡...98F 03/23 06:35
dick929: 大谷啊~你去美國這6年都在睡覺、重訓、練球、打比賽嗎?然後需要跟美國人聯絡事情就叫水原出面處理?這樣不偷你要偷誰啊!
這次經驗,好好去學英文吧702F 03/23 16:30
RicFlair: 撲朔迷離706F 03/23 16:32
Alderamin: 高中生該登dua郎惹707F 03/23 16:37
ToTo0306: 大谷團隊還透過事件當事人當作翻譯真的是雷到不可思議708F 03/23 17:03
SaiKunKH: 好詳細709F 03/23 17:25

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