看板 Gossiping作者 EarlEco (漂流島之王)標題 [新聞] CNN揭台灣部隊「過時刺槍術」等問題時間 Mon Jan 23 10:52:45 2023
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1.媒體來源:
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2.記者署名:
〔即時新聞/綜合報導〕
Eric Cheung, CNN
3.完整新聞標題:
CNN揭台灣部隊「過時刺槍術」等問題 民眾憂上戰場恐變砲灰
4.完整新聞內文:
我國為因應台海局勢升溫,恢復義務役一年役期並強化各項軍事準備,備戰狀況也成為外
媒關注焦點。《CNN》就此訪問台灣義務役退役民眾,坦言依照他們在軍中訓練情的情況
,在戰場上可能會變成砲灰。
《CNN》報導,受訪的6位退役民眾指出,國軍這種包含刺槍術的訓練是為數十年前的環境
所設計,且缺乏城市戰戰術和無人機等現代武器的課程。此外,還有實彈射擊機會過少,
或是受訓使用的武器太過老舊等。
受訪民眾還提到,當時在連隊上有超過100把突擊步槍,但只有數十把能夠用來射擊,「
很多突擊步槍是數十年前所製造,許多已經老舊到不堪使用,武器得在我們之間輪換。」
另有民眾表示,「我們在軍事訓練期間沒有打過幾發子彈。我在接受T65步槍訓練期間僅
僅打了40發。」
另一名接受過砲訓的民眾回憶,「我們被指派一些簡易的任務,大多數時間都用來協助整
理或清理砲車。要是今天就打仗,我被告知要擔任砲兵,那麼我想我只會變成砲灰。」
報導指出,台義務役士兵都要接受體能訓練、步槍射擊和使用刺槍。但受訪者對花在刺槍
術上的時間抱持疑問,認為這是過時的項目,「我認為刺槍訓練純粹是浪費時間,因為我
真的想不到要如何實用」、「看看烏俄戰爭,用上了那麼多種類型的武器,又有哪個時候
得用刺槍術來對付敵人?」
報導提到,部分批評其實得到了台軍方的承認,國防部遂宣布在2024年新政策上路後,義
務役得至少射擊800發以上子彈,也將接受反戰車飛彈和無人機等新式武器訓練。刺槍術
也會進行調整,並納入其它形式的近戰訓練。義務役也會和志願役參與聯合軍事演習,基
礎訓練也從5週調升為8週。
‘If war breaks out … I will just become cannon fodder:’ In Taiwan,
ex-conscripts feel unprepared for potential China conflict
By Eric Cheung, CNN
Updated 8:36 PM EST, Fri January 20, 2023
Taipei, Taiwan
CNN
—
Rising concerns over increasingly aggressive military maneuvers by China have
prompted Taiwan to extend the mandatory military service period most of its
young men must serve. But former conscripts interviewed by CNN say Taipei
will need to do far more than that if it is to make the training effective.
Outdated, boring and impractical. That was the verdict of six young men who
spoke to CNN about their recent experiences of mandatory service in Taiwan’s
military.
They describe a process that was designed decades ago with a heavy emphasis
on bayonet training, but lacking instruction in urban warfare strategies or
modern weapons like drones. Some say there were too few rifles to go around,
or that the weapons they trained with were too old to be of use. Others
recount “specializing” in cannon, grenade and mortar units, but never
receiving any ammunition to train with.
Their criticisms come at a crucial time for Taiwan’s military. President
Tsai Ing-wen announced recently that the period of mandatory service for men
born in or after 2005 will be extended from four months to a year, saying
that the present system “no longer suits the needs” of the island’s
defense. The military says the rethink follows comparisons to the militaries
of other democratic jurisdictions that have longer conscription periods –
such as South Korea (18-21 months), Singapore (24 months) and Israel (24-30
months).
Strengthening the island’s military has become a key concern for Tsai, who
has spoken of the need to highlight Taiwan’s determination to defend itself
amid increasingly aggressive noises from Beijing. The ruling Chinese
Communist Party claims the self-governing democracy of 23.5 million people as
part of its territory, despite never having controlled it, and has sent
record numbers of air and sea patrols to harass it since former US House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited in August. Chinese leader Xi Jinping has
repeatedly refused to rule out the use of force to “reunify” the island
with mainland China.
“No one wants war,” Tsai said in announcing the lengthening of mandatory
service periods in December. “This is true of Taiwan’s government and
people, and the global community, but peace does not come from the sky, and
Taiwan is at the front lines of the expansion of authoritarianism.”
A military exercise in Taiwan simulates an invasion by China on Jan. 6, 2022.
A military exercise in Taiwan simulates an invasion by China on Jan. 6, 2022.
I-Hwa Cheng/Bloomberg/Getty Images
‘I only shot 40 rounds’
But former conscripts are skeptical, telling CNN the problems with mandatory
military service go beyond the short time frame and will only be fixed by a
more thorough revamp.
Tsai herself has acknowledged that many citizens feel serving in the military
is “just a waste of time.”
“In our company, we had more than 100 assault rifles, but only slightly more
than a dozen could be used for shooting practices,” said Frank Liu, a
26-year-old auditor from the central Changhua county who served in 2021. He
said about 140 conscripts received training in his company.
“A lot of those assault rifles were made many decades ago, and many were too
worn out to be used in training. The weapons had to be rotated among
ourselves.”
Paul Lee, a factory manager from Taipei who served in 2018, had a similar
experience.
“We didn’t fire many rounds during the military training,” Lee said. “I
was practicing with the T65 assault rifle, and I only shot about 40 rounds
during the entire training period.
“I’m concerned that many people who underwent the training with me won’t
even be able to operate a rifle with confidence.”
Reservists take part in military training at a base in Taoyuan, Taiwan, on
March 12, 2022.
Reservists take part in military training at a base in Taoyuan, Taiwan, on
March 12, 2022.
Sam Yeh/AFP/Getty Images
Under the current rules, the four-month service period is normally divided
into two parts: five weeks of basic training, and 11 weeks of ground training
at a military base.
During the ground training period, conscripts are often assigned specialties
– but even then some say they receive only the most cursory of insights.
Dennis, a 25-year-old engineer from Taichung city who served last year, said
while he was assigned to specialize in cannons, he never learned how to fire
them because trainers were worried the recruits might get hurt. He asked only
to be identified by his first name because he remains a reservist.
“We were assigned simple tasks, and we spent most of the time helping with
cleaning and washing the cannon carts,” he said. “If war breaks out today
and I am told to work as an artilleryman, I think I will just become cannon
fodder.”
FUJIAN, CHINA - AUGUST 24, 2022 - The PLA Navy and the PLA Army conduct a
cross-day and all-factor live-fire red-blue confrontation drill in Zhangzhou
City, Fujian Province, China, Aug 24, 2022. (Photo credit should read
CFOTO/Future Publishing via Getty Images)
War game suggests Chinese invasion of Taiwan would fail at a huge cost to US,
Chinese and Taiwanese militaries
Adam Yu, a 27-year-old designer from the northern Keelung city who served in
2018 and specialized in mortars and grenade launchers, said while he had been
shown how to prepare the weapons, he had never been given any ammunition or
practiced firing them.
“I’m not sure if I can even operate those weapons,” said Yu, adding, “I
still don’t know how those weapons are supposed to be used in the
battlefield.”
That sentiment was echoed by another former conscript surnamed Liu. The
28-year-old salesman specialized in data processing with the air force and
received training in the southern Pingtung county in 2015. He too asked for
his first name to be withheld, saying he may still be called upon for
additional reservist training.
“Our commanders barely taught anything during our ground training, because
they felt we would only be here for a few months and it wouldn’t make much
of a difference for them,” he said.
New recruits practice with bayonets at a military training center in Hsinchu
County, northern Taiwan on April 22, 2013.
New recruits practice with bayonets at a military training center in Hsinchu
County, northern Taiwan on April 22, 2013.
Chiang Ying-ying/AP
Bayonets?
Taiwan has a professional volunteer military force that as of last year was
made up of 162,000 full-time troops, according to a report by the Legislative
Yuan. On top of this, an estimated 70,000 men complete a period of mandatory
military service every year.
Conscripts must undergo a period of physical training and are taught to shoot
rifles and use bayonets.
Several of those who spoke to CNN questioned the amount of time spent on
bayonet training, arguing it was outdated, although some militaries continue
to teach it in recruitment training programs.
“I think bayonet training was just a waste of time, because I really couldn’
t think how we could put that into practice,” Frank Liu said.
“Just look at the Russia-Ukraine war, there are so many types of weapons
used. When does a soldier ever have to resort to a bayonet to attack their
enemy? I think that was really outdated.”
Yu, from Keelung, said his commanders had put huge emphasis on bayonet
training because it made up part of the end-of-term examination.
“We were ordered to memorize a series of slogans,” he said. “When we were
practicing bayonet, we were required to follow the instructions of the squad
leader with a specific chant for each movement, and we had to repeat it in
the exam.”
Lesson learned?
Some of these criticisms were acknowledged, tacitly or otherwise, when Tsai
announced the lengthening of the conscription period and in the subsequent
news briefing by the Defense Ministry in early January.
The ministry said that when the new policy begins in 2024, all conscripts
will shoot at least 800 rounds during their service, and they will be trained
with new weapons such as anti-tank missiles and drones. Bayonet training will
be modified to include other forms of close combat training, it added, and
conscripts may also participate in joint military drills with professional
soldiers. Meanwhile, basic training will rise from five to eight weeks.
Su Tzu-yun, a director of Taiwan’s Institute for National Defense and
Security Research, which is funded by the government, said he is confident
the reform will boost the island’s combat capabilities.
He also thinks there is value in keeping bayonet training in the curriculum.
“It helps boost a soldier’s courage and aggressiveness,” he said. “If
soldiers engage in a mission that is not suitable for firing weapons, they
may also use bayonet as an alternative option.”
A CH-147F Chinook takes part in drills to show combat readiness ahead of the
Lunar New Year holidays at a military base in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, on January
11.
A CH-147F Chinook takes part in drills to show combat readiness ahead of the
Lunar New Year holidays at a military base in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, on January
11.
Annabelle Chih/Getty Images
Su added that while modern weapons will be included in the new training
curriculum, it would be impractical for every soldier to practice firing them
because this would simply be too costly.
“In the US, the training of Javelin [anti-tank missiles] is conducted
through simulation, because each missile costs $70,000 and it is not possible
for everyone to fire them,” he said. “Usually, the whole unit finishes the
simulation, then the commander will pick a few soldiers to practice firing it.
”
Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said in a statement to CNN that it has invited
experts to numerous academic seminars on reforming the conscription system,
and that it accepted many of their suggestions to boost training intensity.
Doubts remain
Even so, not everyone’s convinced.
“I don’t think the lengthening of service alone will lead to better
national defense,” said Lin Ying-yu, an assistant professor at Tamkang
University’s Institute of International Affairs and Strategic Studies.
He said the “more important questions” involved clarifying in detail the
type of training new conscripts would receive.
And on this point, the former conscripts who spoke to CNN remain skeptical.
“When I saw they wanted to add drones to the training, my question was –
are we going to have one drone per person and multiple chances to practice
flying it?” Yu said.
“If they stick to their old way of teaching, they will just tell us to
follow their instructions and memorize its weight and flight distance, and we
will not be able to operate it.”
KAOHSIUNG, TAIWAN - JANUARY 11: Taiwan's armed forces hold two days of
routine drills to show combat readiness ahead of Lunar New Year holidays at a
military base on January 11, 2023 in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. The self-ruled island
of Taiwan continues to hold defensive drills, as tensions remain high in the
Taiwan straits. (Photo by Annabelle Chih/Getty Images)
Taiwan to allow women into military reserve force training as China fears grow
The fear for conscripts is that the new form of mandatory service might end
up looking pretty much like the old form, only longer.
“During my service, most of the time we were just asked to perform tedious
tasks like moving weapons around to show our commanders, and we spent a lot
of time waiting,” said Dennis, the engineer.
It remains to be seen if conscripts’ time will be spent more fruitfully when
the new rules come in next year, but all sides agree the stakes are high.
“Active citizens are the foundation and the bedrock of our will to resist,”
said Enoch Wu, founder of the civil defense think tank Forward Alliance and a
member of Taiwan’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party.
“If the public decides our home is not worth fighting for – or that we don’
t stand a chance – then you can have the most professional military and it
will still be too little too late.”
5.完整新聞連結 (或短網址)不可用YAHOO、LINE、MSN等轉載媒體:
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4191145
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/20/asia/taiwan-mandatory-mili
tary-service-conscription-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
6.備註:
古早以前有白團,教我們「氣力體一致」、拔草測風向,將槍置於上風一臂可及之
處,脫盔欺敵,左欺敵, 右欺敵,欺敵欺敵再欺。
請問國防部的超級大大大學長、北極星超級大大大學長,同T、學弟妹,如果目測,
前方200公尺有可殺傷人員之自殺引信無人機,這個時候通知鄰兵接敵,開始左線預備
右線預備,射擊!!
但是都未命中目標。
這個候再拿出我大中華民國的「氣力體一致」、拔草測風向,將槍置於上風一臂可及之
處,脫盔欺敵,左欺敵,右欺敵,欺敵欺敵再欺。
我們真的可以擊落無人機嗎??
還是像某東歐大國的大兵先用吃奶的力氣,全部裝備脫掉,三十六計走為上策,先逃到
打不到的地方,等無人機走了,再退下去。
謝謝指教!!!
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※ 作者: EarlEco 2023-01-23 10:52:45
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