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標題 Re: [討論] 華納又擅自修剪《自殺》的導演版本?
時間 Thu Aug  4 10:01:20 2016


重點整理一下消息來源The Hollywood Reporter的原文:
http://tinyurl.com/jucy4ls

1.
Yet if the villain team-up ultimately works — and it has drawn some harsh
early reviews  — it will be in spite of the kind of behind-the-scenes drama
that is becoming typical for giant franchise movies that now are the main
focus of the studio business: a production schedule engineered to meet an
ambitious release date; a director, David Ayer (Fury), untested in making
tentpole movies; and studio executives, brimming with anxiety, who are ready
to intercede forcefully as they attempt to protect a branded asset.

本片幕後的勾心角力十分嚴重。
製作大趕進度、
導演大衛艾亞從未拍過暑期商業大片、
片商高層積極插手干預。

2.
A source with ties to the project says it was a sprint from the start. "[Ayer]
wrote the script in like, six weeks, and they just went," he says, arguing
that the whole process would have benefited if Ayer, 48, had been given more time to work

大衛艾亞只有六週時間可以寫出劇本。

3.
In Ayer, Warners enlisted a director who had never made a giant,
effects-packed action movie. Hiring filmmakers who lack such experience is
the trend, and it's often out of necessity. "There are a lot of people who
don't want to direct those movies and that's a huge problem," says one
producer with franchise experience. "A lot of the proven guys are
back-to-back with their stuff, or they want to develop it for five years, and
there's a machine that has to be fed. And there's the economics."

現在超級英雄電影都在雇用沒什麼拍攝大片經驗的導演,
因為有名導演都不想碰超級英雄電影,再加上片酬太高。
所以片商只好找上比較欠缺經驗的導演,

而此舉有時候會成功,有時則不。

4.
A source with knowledge of events says Warners executives, nervous from the
start, grew more anxious after they were blindsided and deeply rattled by the
tepid response to BvS. "Kevin was really pissed about damage to the brand,"
says one executive close to the studio. A key concern for Warners executives
was that Suicide Squad didn't deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the
strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original
vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from
Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

華納高層對BvS出乎意料之外的負評感到震驚而慌了手腳,
華納董事長兼執行長Kevin辻原對DC品牌受傷感到很不爽。

華納高層覺得《自殺突擊隊》沒有像預告那樣歡樂又鮮明,
所以當大衛艾亞在處理自己的版本時,

華納找來剪接本片前導預告的公司Trailer Park,
另外剪了一個版本。

5.
In May, Ayer's more somber version and a lighter, studio-favored version were
tested with audiences in Northern California. "If there are multiple opinions
that aren't in sync, you go down multiple tracks — two tracks at least,"
says an insider. "That was the case here for a period of time, always trying
to get to a place where you have consensus." Those associated with the film
insist Ayer agreed to and participated in the process. Once feedback on the
two versions was analyzed, it became clear it was possible to get to "a very
common-ground place." (The studio-favored version with more characters
introduced early in the film and jazzed-up graphics won.) Getting to that
place of consensus, however, required millions of dollars worth of additional
photography.

在今年五月,
大衛艾亞比較黑暗的版本,
以及片商屬意的輕鬆版本,
在北加州進行觀眾測試。

內線人士表示,
雙方一直在協調彼此之間的意見不合。
最終電影版本是導演版與片商版中間的妥協版,
並由片商版佔上風。

片商版在電影前半段介紹了更多角色出場,
在影像上也比較生動活潑。

而為了取得妥協,片商花了數百萬美金來重拍。

6.
Other sources describe a fraught process — one cites "a lot of panic and ego
instead of calmly addressing the tonal issue." Clearly all wasn't sitting
right with Ayer, who in June suddenly dropped his longtime agent at CAA and
defected to WME, though the agency won him back in a day. "He was under a lot
— a lot — of pressure," says one person with knowledge of the situation,
arguing that Ayer was exhausted and needed time to process conflicting ideas.

在協調電影調性的過程中,
出現了很多恐慌與自信問題,
而不是雙方坐下來冷靜討論。

飽受壓力的大衛艾亞也在今年六月突然離開自己的經紀人,
不過在一天之後又被勸回去了。

7.
Just weeks before the two versions were tested, Warners declined to ante up
for Ayer's next project, Bright, which will reunite him with Squad star Will
Smith. He ended up at Netflix, which made a staggering $90 million deal.

華納當時也拒絕開拍由大衛艾亞跟威爾史密斯再續前緣的新片《Bright》,
電影最後被Netflix所簽下。

8.
Even on the day of the premiere, one insider fretted about whether Suicide
Squad would mirror BvS' huge opening and weak legs. Another veteran says the
goal is survival: "The movie's got to do $750 million, $800 million to break
even. If they get anywhere close to that, they'll consider it a win."

業界人士正在交頭接耳,
猜測SS會不會跟BvS一樣首週狂賣、次週暴跌。

有人說華納目前只想從中倖存:
本片需要賣到7.5~8億美金才能打平。
只要能盡量賣近這個數字,
華納就會燒香拜佛了。

PS:

現任華納董事長兼執行長Kevin辻原是在2013年才上任的,
也是好萊塢龍頭片商中的第一位亞裔大頭目,
他現年才51歲,相當年輕。

而華納旗下的搖錢樹《黑暗騎士》三部曲、《哈利波特》系列電影,
都是在前任董事長Barry Meyer任內完成的,
Barry Meyer在《地心引力》推出後便告老還鄉。

而目前正在票房上大獲全勝的迪士尼影業,
現任董事長Alan F. Horn當時正是Barry Meyer底下的華納總裁兼營運長。
換句話說,華納當時以《黑暗騎士》、《哈利波特》所取得的成功,
Alan F. Horn自然功不可沒。

而當他在2012年以68歲高齡轉戰迪士尼之後,
這份成功也跟著一同轉移至迪士尼了。
雙方如今相比之下,實在不勝唏噓。

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freeblade: 華納的氣在亂 步調被人牽著鼻子走1F 08/04 10:04
blackcat1129: 說好的華納高層比較不干涉 給導演自由創作呢?2F 08/04 10:05
DelNaja: 華納和DC很慌吧 急著想趕上漫威的成功 反而自己亂了手腳3F 08/04 10:05
holyseraph: 華納燒香拜佛  希望SS不虧本...聽起來有點慘  囧4F 08/04 10:06
checkIO: 爽5F 08/04 10:07
blackcat1129: 記得之前有篇文章提到 在Alan Horn被鬥爭去迪士尼後迪士尼所賺的利潤 剛好就是華納近幾年損失的部分6F 08/04 10:07
aa01081008tw: 票房要到8億鎂才打平...很拚8F 08/04 10:08
tanpsy: 華納:要上院線? 要嘛我的版本 要嘛我的一半導演的一半 絕對不出導演版9F 08/04 10:08
lpca: 我記得超人再起時的華納更誇張吧 現在應該還好
還有導演大不大牌也會有差別待遇吧11F 08/04 10:09
neverli: 乾....這樣我今天到底是要不要去看阿 好煩13F 08/04 10:10
holyseraph: 導演版是下片後拿來救評價的  一魚兩吃  真不愧是華納14F 08/04 10:11
Gamer1028: 前導剪片商wwwwwww  還真的喔?? 還以為開玩笑的15F 08/04 10:11
sony1256: DC是在搞三小 這樣對DC的片都很有疑慮16F 08/04 10:13
checkIO: 這樣正義聯盟不樂觀了吧17F 08/04 10:14
icecold52: 華納這樣亂搞 我很怕明年WW也會出同樣的包啊 !!  XD18F 08/04 10:14
aa01081008tw: 正義聯盟當然不樂觀啊..還是那個導演啊XD19F 08/04 10:14
Gamer1028: 照這篇看起來 不全然是導演的問題啊XD20F 08/04 10:15
danceenix: 挖 華納是低_兒嗎21F 08/04 10:16
macrose: 6週趕出來的劇本wwwwwwwww22F 08/04 10:17
newgunden: 看來爛番茄是對的 劇本太差又亂剪23F 08/04 10:17
luvshiou: 有試映過結果是兩版都有人喜歡?24F 08/04 10:17
aa01081008tw: 若真不是導演的問題那更是慘.代表DC要整組爛光了XD25F 08/04 10:18
chelsea1035: 漫威和華納最大差別應該是在一個想好整個故事計畫的大綱在去執行,另一個只想趕上對方已經進行的進度,所以亂七八糟的26F 08/04 10:18
beartsubaki: The studio-favored version won29F 08/04 10:19
newgunden: 看來是只有小班的杯麵比較沒問題 他夠大牌30F 08/04 10:20
luvshiou: 但看來由剪預告公司的版本也不錯 不然就不會一半一半了31F 08/04 10:20
holyseraph: 如果這篇屬實  那之前導演回應影評評價的推特文
根本是含血含淚為華納護航  #1NeNcZIv (movie)32F 08/04 10:20
Zazabi: 單一電影出槌還可以說是導演問題 2部就..應該不是34F 08/04 10:20
eva2255848: 有好的材料卻做不出好菜 真的很浪費 唉35F 08/04 10:21
newgunden: 因為電影掛他的名子 也只能吞了36F 08/04 10:21
※ 編輯: EvilisGood (36.227.163.5), 08/04/2016 10:22:29
iamserene: 真的抓剪預告的來剪啊.....37F 08/04 10:22
siyabear: 有看過大明星小跟班電影版的都知道電影公司高層甚至金主都很愛干涉導演38F 08/04 10:22
Cishang: 這樣不就是不上不下....40F 08/04 10:24
newgunden: 漫威之前也是這樣搞阿 還好有人幫踩剎車了41F 08/04 10:24
danceenix: 媽的 超不爽!42F 08/04 10:24
iamserene: 迪士尼英明43F 08/04 10:25
seraph01: 片商是輕鬆版本 導演是黑暗版本 目前評價是黑暗不輕鬆吧44F 08/04 10:26
newgunden: 所以影迷要關番茄其實正是對華納不滿的表現45F 08/04 10:26
tanpsy: 華納決定就是自己拆了煞車 一路暴衝到底了46F 08/04 10:26
newgunden: 而不是麻將打輸了翻桌47F 08/04 10:26
seraph01: 感覺還是導演的鍋48F 08/04 10:26
newgunden: 沒辦法 菜就要認份49F 08/04 10:27
seraph01: 如果真的能剪成預告那樣 非常樂見50F 08/04 10:27
glacierl: 華納跟漫威的差別還有一個是,漫威是自己建構出讓客人買單的影片風格與模式。華納則是在失了先機後,卡在是要走新路吸客源、還是要直接就當下觀眾喜好習慣來炒短。51F 08/04 10:28
tanpsy: 導演版或片商版擇一出 也必各拿一半好吧54F 08/04 10:29
F11: 哪有啥長短 漫威早就有自己的一套標準 dc到現在連自己的風格55F 08/04 10:31
kyouya: 七八億?現在都要這麼多才能回本嗎?漫威一堆票房兩三億的56F 08/04 10:32
F11: 都搞不清 我管你是要啥風格  拍出來觀眾買單就是好
別再嘴砲啥深度暗黑風 聽了只會很想笑57F 08/04 10:32
qozxcv: 威爾史密斯飾演威爾史密斯59F 08/04 10:33
JuiFu617: 電影基調要不就暗黑到底,要不就輕鬆到底,還有一半一半60F 08/04 10:33
blackcat1129: 在於廣告費用 自殺小隊鋪天蓋地的廣告宣傳與預告61F 08/04 10:34
kuninaka: SS廣告超多62F 08/04 10:35
blackcat1129: 早在2個月前左右就開始了 一直被自殺小隊的廣告洗版63F 08/04 10:35
chinhan1216: 漫威威武64F 08/04 10:37
kuninaka: BVS票房8.7億 SS要拚八億....65F 08/04 10:37
SINW: 我比較好奇的是片商腦子是裝什麼 八億才能回本的電影 怎麼算都是賠錢的生意66F 08/04 10:37
eva2255848: 黑暗到一半突然插進像預告那樣歡樂片段 下一幕又黑暗68F 08/04 10:37
newgunden: DC粉的心情:https://youtu.be/ZWphqA1Slrw?t=1m5s69F 08/04 10:37
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blackcat1129: 另外 kyouya 除了美隊1的3億多與無敵浩克的2億多
請你舉出"一堆"票房2~3億的漫威片片好嗎?70F 08/04 10:37
holyseraph: 華納的病毒行銷很有一套  大概是主流片商的第一把交椅72F 08/04 10:38
JuiFu617: 威爾史密斯蠻衰的73F 08/04 10:38
kuninaka: MARVEL沒有一堆兩三億的拉
舊題材而言SS是比ID4續集好74F 08/04 10:38
holyseraph: 威爾史密斯有挑對片就OK了  自殺起碼比ID4續集好76F 08/04 10:40
killua92: 邪惡米老鼠超強的77F 08/04 10:41
c871111116: Will算幸運吧 至少不是拍IDR啊78F 08/04 10:42
zjes40604: id4續集有點弱79F 08/04 10:43
seraph01: 兩害取其輕?80F 08/04 10:43
cvngoo: 有DC這王牌甚至可說是神主牌 還能打到相公 這兄弟也滿寶的81F 08/04 10:44
kuninaka: I Am Legend 不知道為啥沒續集 評價和票房都不錯82F 08/04 10:44
newgunden: SS至少有粉絲挺 IDR粉絲罵最大聲83F 08/04 10:44
kuninaka: 好牌打到相公,那一定是人品不好84F 08/04 10:45
c871111116: 我相信SS再怎麼爛一定比IDR好啦 應該85F 08/04 10:45
snowinwater: SS炸掉也輪不到威爾86F 08/04 10:46
l111210: 八億才回本也太扯……google一下影史最高預算排名87F 08/04 10:48
egg781: 在黑暗跟歡樂中間猶豫不決蠻蠢的,有什麼好猶豫,又不是黑暗就不好看,說故事的能力才重要88F 08/04 10:49
newgunden: 還相公不只一次 看看那個精美的急凍人90F 08/04 10:51
l111210: 最高也才3億,爬了一下新聞自殺拍攝成本好像是1.7億
是花了6億在行銷、宣傳嗎?感覺不太可能91F 08/04 10:51
MakeAWash: 廣告 行銷 宣傳很燒錢的 而且還得跟戲院拆帳93F 08/04 10:52
newgunden: 毛片成本阿 宣傳片酬分紅劇院 還有補拍的沒算94F 08/04 10:52
holyseraph: 票房又不是片商全拿  起碼要和戲院業者五五分帳
在中國市場甚至是片商拿25%  中國戲院業者拿75%95F 08/04 10:53
IBIZA: 我是傳奇就把結局拍死了啊...要怎麼拍續集, 挺多拍前傳吧97F 08/04 10:56
iamserene: 這次聽說預告剪了15支??98F 08/04 10:59
l111210: 但我看影史成本排行榜,也一堆不滿5億的啊,真的會被列為99F 08/04 11:00
sassuck: 為什麼老是要把片拍得很黑暗  ...211F 08/05 05:12
ctes940008: 87212F 08/08 03:24
sate: 決戰一定要在晚上..不夠黑不打喔...反觀M社的機場戰213F 08/08 22:27
Allen0315:     幹你華納!!!214F 08/09 03:23
wtao: 我覺得 剪片可以  但是每次 都剪大段放消息  DVD再行銷一次真的很過分  播兩層皮的感覺215F 08/09 21:26

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