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標題 [外絮] 太陽老闆被指控（2）
時間 Fri Nov 12 14:03:25 2021


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32440987/phoenix-suns-robert-sarver-allegations-racism-misogyny
Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
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An ESPN investigation, featuring interviews with more than 70 current and former Suns employees, reveals accusations of racism and misogyny against ow ...

 

太陽老闆被指控（二）

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NBPA executive director Michele Roberts said she was not aware of any reports from players of misconduct by Sarver or the Suns. "Apart from [point guard Chris Paul] and James Jones, we have not had much official contact with the team and none that I can think of with Sarver."
Current and former Suns employees told ESPN that Sarver is known to say he is "brutal to work for," a line he has repeated over the years, even in job interviews. Sarver has told executives they were "paid a lot of money to put up with my s---."
"If the commissioner comes in and investigates to see what the f--- is going on in Phoenix," one current business operations employee told ESPN, "[he] would be appalled."

NBPA的M Roberts說他們也沒收到相關指控，他與除了CP3(前會長）與JJ以外的太陽隊成員並沒有太多接觸- 我想他也不會與沙佛有太多接觸。

多位前任與現任成員都說，「我對你們很嚴厲（可以理解為壓榨）」是殺佛的口頭禪，他認為他付錢給員工就是找他們來當____的

如果有專員到太陽隊調查整件事情，他會震驚的 ，一位現任太陽營運成員說。

THERE WERE WARNING signs from the beginning.
The Suns were coming off a 29-53 season in 2004, and an early major decision for Sarver centered on signing the team's top free agent that summer, Steve Nash.
A recruiting pitch was set for the start of free agency. Among Sarver and others, attendees included Nash's agent Bill Duffy and 2003 Rookie of the Year Amar'e Stoudemire, both of whom are Black. Three people in the room told ESPN that, during the meeting, Sarver made a comment they felt was racially insensitive; they could not recall specifics but said they felt he too loosely used the term "Black guy" during the conversation.

警訊從（沙佛入主）一開始就顯現了

04年只拿29勝的太陽，在沙佛入主的第一個重大決定就是引進Nash

與會者包含了Nash的經紀人與阿罵（Stoudemire），他們認為在那次會議中，沙佛提到有色人種時顯得不夠「敏感」 - 他提到黑人時的態度過於輕佻。

Ultimately, the Suns got their target, but "we signed Steve Nash despite Robert," said a basketball executive who was there.


最終太陽還是簽下了Nash ,儘管有沙佛在場。 一位參與其中的高管說

（其實我不懂是什麼意思 ， 是指沙佛一直幫倒忙？）


Sarver's lawyers told ESPN the anecdote was too vague and happened too long ago to address specifically, but they did note that nothing racially inappropriate was said and that 73% of NBA players in 2004 were Black. "Thus, those conversations certainly would have referenced Black men." Sarver, they said, was "integral" to signing Nash.
It was one of the first instances in which Sarver's conduct raised questions among employees.

沙佛的律師說，當年2004NBA 已經有73%的黑人,所以談話中不可能不提到黑人，而沙佛對於簽下Nash有無可替代的作用



At least a half-dozen Suns staffers recounted to ESPN instances of Sarver hearing a story from a Black player and then using the same language when retelling it, down to the usage of the N-word.
"You're like, 'Whoa! Robert, you can't do that,'" said one former basketball executive. Another former Suns head coach said such instances were commonplace. A Black basketball operations staffer told ESPN he has heard Sarver say the N-word multiple times.
Sarver once used the N-word when trying to explain to a staffer why he preferred hiring Lindsey Hunter over Dan Majerle as head coach in 2013, according to a high-level executive who heard the remark. Hunter was a first-year Suns player development coordinator while Majerle was in his fifth year as a Suns associate head coach.
"These [N-words] need a [N-word]," Sarver told the staffer of his largely Black team, according to the executive.
Sarver again cited race as the reason the team needed to hire Watson as head coach in 2016, a former Suns basketball executive said: A young Black coach could better relate to Black players, Sarver reasoned, and could "speak their language."
Through legal representation, Sarver denied the allegation about Hunter, saying he never used the N-word and "never used words to that effect," and said race was never discussed during Watson's hiring process.

多位球員與太陽的前員工，都提到沙佛在敘述他從黑人球員身上聽來的故事，會一字不漏的複敘，包含N -word

他們都會告訴沙佛你不能這樣說

而看起來沙佛相當不以為然

且沙佛的律師否認了所有指證，並且說明他在招募Waston的時候並沒有考慮到種族問題

Before the 2017-18 season, a tense front-office situation provided another glimpse into interactions with Sarver employees felt were racially insensitive. Late in the previous season, point guard Eric Bledsoe had been benched in a tanking effort led by Sarver, former basketball operations staffers said.

Issues with the benching percolated into the offseason, when Bledsoe was eligible for a contract extension.

17-18年的時候，人們又再次見到沙佛與員工對種族議題的「不敏感」

當時在沙佛主導的情況，讓Bledsoe從板凳出發。而當雷獸需要續約時，板凳/先發的問題被延續到了休賽季。




Contract talks eventually led Bledsoe's Klutch Sports agent, Rich Paul, to communicate directly with Sarver -- the Suns owner didn't want to extend Bledsoe's contract in part due to concerns about Bledsoe's durability, plus concerns that the team had performed poorly with him as the starting point guard, according to sources at the time. Paul responded to Sarver's remarks by saying that he knew basketball and that they "weren't talking about tennis," Sarver's childhood sport.
Sarver erupted at the dig, according to two people with knowledge of the interaction, telling Paul he was going to fire Watson as the team's head coach if Watson didn't sever ties with Klutch, which had been representing Watson, within 10 days - just after the start of the season.
Watson said that Sarver's ultimatum quickly reached him. He asked Sarver if he was serious.
"Yeah, I will f---ing fire you," Sarver told Watson. "You have 10 days to think about it. Don't wait too long."
Watson said he explained to Sarver the optics of a white owner asking a Black coach to fire an agency led by a Black agent, Paul.
"Yeah, I understand what race you two are," Sarver replied, according to Watson. "So I'm asking you, How bad do you want your job?"
Watson said he told Sarver that he wasn't going to fire Klutch.
"You can do whatever you want," Watson said he told Sarver. "You own this team, but my culture is not for sale. And I'm not for sale."
Through legal representation, Sarver said his issue with Klutch was solely due to a conflict of interest -- that a coach and a player could not be represented by the same agent. Sarver denied that the conversation had anything to do with race.
Watson, when told of Sarver's response, said: "Rich [Paul] was never my agent." Watson was represented by Klutch Sports, which is owned by Paul.
"Guess who did my contract when I got hired to be a head coach [with the Suns]? Klutch," Watson said. "If Klutch did my contract, wouldn't [the Suns] have just told me, 'We can't sign you because it's a conflict of interest?' They did my interim contract, and they did my other contract. They did two contracts for me."
The Suns lost their first three games of the season by a combined 92 points. Watson's final game as head coach was a 130-88 loss to the Clippers; Sarver fired him the next day.
"It's almost like an ownership thing," Watson told ESPN. "He wants people to call him and beg him."

簡單說就是沙佛不想花大錢續約雷獸，因為對他作為先發PG的續航力有點質疑。

而作為雷獸的經紀人，Klutch Sports的富堡與沙佛談判，而富堡用 「我懂籃球，這與你小時候玩的網球不一樣。」 回擊


（我自己詢問米國人，這段話其實是指 籃球是黑人的運動，白人還是去打網球就好了）


想當然沙佛大發雷霆，他直接告訴富堡，他將讓Watson炒了Klutch 作為報復，不然他將會開除Watson


當Watson得知後親自與沙佛會面

沙佛開門見山的告訴Watson , 他有10天的時間考慮 - 我他媽的真的會開除你

Watson跟沙佛解釋，並告知你是否知道你在威脅一個黑人離開由另外一個黑人領導的機構意味著什麼

沙佛直接說，我知道你們都是黑人，你需要考慮的是你是否還想要你的工作

Watson告訴沙佛他不會解僱Klutch

你可以對你的球隊為所欲為，但我對我的文化/信仰/種族是不會出賣的 ，Watson說

而沙佛律師給出的解釋，他與Klutch之間的糾紛來自於利益衝突。

他不希望球員與教練埋首同一個經紀人

Watson: 我的經紀人不是富堡 ，而是Klutch

最終沙佛在開季第三場比賽輸球後解僱了Watson

Watson告訴ESPN ,沙佛的行為就像他是我們的擁有者，他希望人們求他。


（抱歉…真的很難順暢翻譯）




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推 AgentZero: 結果最大的罪狀就是他直接講尼哥兩個字不消音XD1F 11/12 14:04
→ pneumo: 辛苦2F 11/12 14:05
→ EZ78: 沒啦 另一個罪狀是他簽Nash因為他是白人
雖然有打出來但是就…3F 11/12 14:05
→ sezna: 不喜歡富堡還不行喔?5F 11/12 14:05
推 ocean0817: 推個6F 11/12 14:06
推 Neptunia: 富保那句話歧視成這樣結果被搞是沙佛 有夠好笑7F 11/12 14:06
→ EZ78: 而且Rich Paul這樣看下來真的蠻靠北的8F 11/12 14:07
推 bestteam: 這種程度的小事 也想燒人..9F 11/12 14:07
→ sezna: Klutch不等於富堡  嗯10F 11/12 14:07
推 s90188: 結果看起來就是老闆很雞掰而已，還沒有什麼能讓他下來的證據11F 11/12 14:08
→ azlbf: 我剛剛才發現只翻了越1/3…13F 11/12 14:09
→ sezna: 事後來看雷獸是真的雷 到底誰懂阿14F 11/12 14:09
推 kobe30418: 感覺富堡才是最歧視的傢伙15F 11/12 14:09
推 hasroten: 看起來就只是機車的老闆 是不是有人想搞16F 11/12 14:10
→ kobe30418: 而且雷獸真的雷 蠻有眼光的17F 11/12 14:10
推 love1500274: 這翻完可能要8-9集 超級長的18F 11/12 14:10
→ hasroten: 不是欸 Nash打的很好啊 事實證明他很有眼光吧19F 11/12 14:11
→ azlbf: 但 我google 沒有找到富堡有說這些話的新聞就是了20F 11/12 14:12
→ EZ78: 他打得好跟因為膚色才雇用是兩回事啊-.-21F 11/12 14:12
→ azlbf: 事後諸葛來看 簽Nash 交易阿嬤 選書人 都是沙佛強力主導的正確決策22F 11/12 14:13
推 kennykennyok: 看到富堡集團攪進來就知道怎麼回事了24F 11/12 14:14
推 hasroten: 問題是他也不是都不簽黑人吧25F 11/12 14:14
推 LEEKN: 還有沒有料啊26F 11/12 14:16
推 ak0209: 交易阿罵不算吧 前一年有機會賣不肯賣
拖到FA和尼克先簽後換 只能拿回零頭而已27F 11/12 14:16
→ EZ78: 交易Amare那筆虧到哭吧…29F 11/12 14:18
→ SuikaJasper: 聽起來根本沒一個指控站的住腳，各種信口開河，問證據就是沒人在場30F 11/12 14:18
→ azlbf: 可能我記錯了 我記得沙佛是想交易，但當時的GM想多拼一年32F 11/12 14:19
→ EZ78: 反正情節不會到快艇那麼嚴重換老闆啦
陽迷請繼續加油OuO34F 11/12 14:20
推 webberfun: 富保.......36F 11/12 14:20
推 WBYY: 說實在富堡那句話反過來是白人說早就被幹爆了37F 11/12 14:21
→ EZ78: Sarver頂多就是政治不正確被抨擊而已38F 11/12 14:22
推 sasewill: 富堡大戰沙佛，兩邊都好討人厭哈哈哈39F 11/12 14:22
推 madeathmao: 奇怪，富堡才是說歧視言論的人吧？Waston在公三小40F 11/12 14:22
推 newtypeL9: 富堡很嗆嘛
富堡很懂籃球，那怎麼不想辦法教教西門投籃41F 11/12 14:22
推 hanslins: 這點東西就想換老闆？陽迷再努力點吧！43F 11/12 14:24
→ Royalweger: 就是個黑人兄弟挺阿的概念44F 11/12 14:24
推 cv120345: 從最後一段看來感覺是私怨然後想燒成種族歧視45F 11/12 14:25
→ EZ78: 老實說我覺得陽迷應該希望情節越嚴重越好XD46F 11/12 14:25
推 amos30627: 怎麼看都是富堡歧視 老闆發火要開除 還搬黑人身份出來 自助餐？47F 11/12 14:25
推 hiaries: 好像....沒什麼？可能外國人比較難體會他們的社會氛圍，我覺得富堡那句還比較過分49F 11/12 14:26
推 AngelNo13: 黑人同胞做的很多事情都是換個膚色就準備炸裂的51F 11/12 14:26
→ EZ78: 不過2隻球隊都有CP3也真的蠻巧的52F 11/12 14:26
→ sezna: 沒有快艇老闆那種一刀斃命的證據 都是空口白話53F 11/12 14:26
推 AgentZero: 可是那時候除了Nash 還有哪個黑人後衛值得簽?54F 11/12 14:27
→ cv120345: 黑人是不是對自己歧視別人都輕輕帶過對別人歧視黑人就看很重阿?55F 11/12 14:27
→ AgentZero: 講得好像簽另個黑人會比Nash更強 問題是沒有啊57F 11/12 14:27
推 hanslins: 真的最好笑拿老納出來證明，老納大概是太陽有史以來最賺的一筆交易
其他不說，老納至少是歷史前五控衛，抽籤到死都不一定抽到58F 11/12 14:29
→ EZ78: 就只能說還好Nash夠爭氣啊XD62F 11/12 14:31
推 leoncurry30: 這樣不可能會下台的啦，尤其現在政治情勢在翻轉當中
況且富堡因為西門事件被當落水狗在打，短期內不太可能可以處理這件事63F 11/12 14:32
推 nuturewind: 還以為什麼鐵證如山的事證，結果就這樣？67F 11/12 14:32
→ EZ78: 當時FA其實有Kobe就是了68F 11/12 14:33
推 s925407: 這些事感覺都沒什麼，試想那時候如果沙佛對富堡讓步，那今天太陽說不定也要面對76人或前幾年的水鳥一樣被經紀公司掐住脖子的狀況69F 11/12 14:34
推 Aggro: 沙佛當年比較想壓在抓雞上 只是後來事情燒到抓雞不72F 11/12 14:34
→ EZ78: 96梯那年大部分都變成UFA73F 11/12 14:34
→ Aggro: 爽 還是只能交易他 那時候陽迷還笑難得沙佛眼光不錯知道要留誰74F 11/12 14:34
→ s925407: 而且實際上watson那時候帶的真的是夠爛，根本不用靠他跟富堡的事也應該會被炒掉76F 11/12 14:34
→ Aggro: Nash那件事反而立場不足 當時看衰Nash的應該是多數畢竟過往來說 過30白人球員普遍會覺得容易下滑78F 11/12 14:35
推 nuturewind: 而且花生那一段根本就是他拿黑人兄弟經紀團隊當靠山80F 11/12 14:36
→ Aggro: 但後來Nash太成功了 反而證明太陽眼光是對的 押對寶81F 11/12 14:36
→ nuturewind: 在那邊大小聲吧……82F 11/12 14:36
→ EZ78: 很多就結果論啊 放到現在那筆一定一開始就被酸爆83F 11/12 14:36
→ s925407: 而且講起來沙佛考慮到教練跟球員的文化背景所以選擇教練也聘請跟球員一樣的黑人，這反而才是真的在種族上有所考量吧，真正的原罪大概真的只是用詞不好而已84F 11/12 14:36
推 hanslins: 對不起啊陽迷，目前看起來殺佛不會走，沒證據，即使講得都是真的殺傷力也很弱88F 11/12 14:36
→ Aggro: 目前已知新聞來看 沙佛確實是慣老闆 但要用種族藉口踢掉他 我覺得蠻難的90F 11/12 14:36
→ EZ78: “30歲白人沒身高沒對抗的控衛到底能幹嘛”92F 11/12 14:37
推 leoncurry30: Watson 是真的很爛完全沒有能力，拿三衛就只是個BLM擋箭牌呵呵，其實留Dragic說不定太陽早就有季後賽可以打93F 11/12 14:37
→ nuturewind: 這篇原文的水準跟某些政治風向文程度87％像96F 11/12 14:37
→ EZ78: 不過沒有一個是可以讓他滾的啦 陽迷請繼續加油XD97F 11/12 14:37
→ Aggro: 抓雞當時反而是老闆想留 但總管一心想扶植雷獸上位我覺得現在關鍵是沙佛用了黑人GM 黑人教練而且兩個98F 11/12 14:37
→ xo1100: Watson跟麥當勞就在報復啊
麥當勞還是白人勒205F 11/12 16:37
推 o0991758566: 他的確是個爛老闆 但這也不到能逼他下來的程度207F 11/12 17:00
→ SCLPAL: 選白人會出事的話  庫班危險了嗎QQ?208F 11/12 17:07
推 vvvv0o0vvvv: 富保那個到底在三小？？？209F 11/12 17:10

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