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本文作者：TiensiNoAkuma，北美ELO 2276的玩家
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Hello,

Most of you probably don't know me, but I'm a pretty avid Katarina player. The
goal of this post is to lead Katarina in the right direction, it is very
difficult to design a champion to be viable in competitive play and balanced in
casual play. For this I commend Riot for their work, keep in mind that their
goal is to make a game that everyone can enjoy, not limited to the upper
echelon of players. The changes I'm giving are only suggestions, a brainstorm
if you will to give people more ideas. If Riot thinks that they're pulling her
in the right direction then that's their choice, I'm merely giving my own
opinion.
哈囉



P.S. Swing down to see the TL;DR it'll only include current issues and possible
changes
附註：往下看會有一個精簡版的總結，那只會提到目前的一些問題和可能的調整方
向。
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Current State of Kat (Why Tank Kat and Tanky AP Kat are now viable and Glass
Cannon AP Kat has fallen off)
Kata目前的狀況：（為什麼坦Kata和AP坦Kata可行，但玻璃大砲純AP型Kata反而不
再主流的原因）


Notable Changes from Old Katarina - New Katarina:
值得注意的新舊Kata的調整

[.] Q (Bouncing Blades) Range increased, blade bounces are no longer random,
and initial damage decreased. This removed the old unfair Katarina tactic of
throwing blades on a nearby creep which would bounce off and hit the enemy.
Katarina would be able to harass from a safe distance due to this. With the
changes, Katarina players are now encouraged to get within the enemy's range in
order to deal full damage from her Q. These were well thought out changes.
Unfortunately Q is a little bit underwhelming at the moment and squishy
Katarinas might not be willing to get close to deal the additional 15-75 (.15)
damage. A tankier Katarina on the other hand would have no issue walking up to
his enemy to deal extra damage.


[.] E (Shunpo) Cooldown increased, Damage decreased. This change turned the old
shunpo which was a high damage nuke with high escape power into a primary
escape spell for Katarina. Especially after giving Katarina a new damage spell
this was the right move to make.


[.] R (Death Lotus) Channel duration decreased (This in turn changed the total
damage output, basically reducing it). Again, after adding a new damage spell
it would be wise to reduce the damage on other spells.
R：持續施法時間降低（傷害量有調整過，所以總傷害是下降的）。再說一次，在加
   了另一招傷害技之後調低其他傷害技能的傷害是聰明的決定。

[.] W (Sinister Steel) A new aoe damage spell that provides a short movespeed
boost. This new skill was created to remove old Katarina's reliance on an
unreliable ultimate. Another move in the right direction. No matter how good a
Katarina would be it's nearly impossible to get a full ultimate off against
smart players. In addition with this change Katarina has a much easier time
clearing full waves of creep.


Why is Tank Katarina or Tanky AP Katarina more viable now and used
competitively?
為什麼坦Kata或AP坦Kata更可用，而且甚至在比賽中可行呢？

There is a question that is asked toward every single champion used
competitively: "What can you contribute to the team?" Obviously as a team game
the most successful champions are the ones that contribute the most to a team.
Twisted Fate, Karthus, Shen, and Nocturne all have Global Presence while
Orianna provides slows, AOE hard CC, a shield, and a speed boost. The list goes
on.


What does Katarina provide? Damage. That's all she is, an assassin designed to
only deal damage. With the addition of W (Sinister Steel) Katarina became the
aoe mage in competitive play. She might be one of the weaker single target
damage mages, but she's one of the strongest AOE champions. With a full
ultimate without any AP/AD, a katarina can deal 1800 damage to three targets.
This is how champions with limited CC contributes to a team, they deal as much
damage as they can to an enemy team. You rarely see a Veigar, Leblanc, Akali,
Malzahar etc. competitively because they don't contribute as much damage to the
team.


This is why you see players stack HP, armor, and magic resist on Katarina and
max W (Sinister Steel). By doing so they can sit in team fights all day,
casting W and R (Death Lotus) whenever they're off cooldown and dealing a ton
of AOE damage. With her W alone and no AP/AD, a Katarina can deal up to 900
damage to an entire team every 4 seconds.

This in turn puts Riot in a tight spot, any increase in ratio will change her
damage output 5 fold, an extra .1 ratio increase in W means a possible .5
damage output increase overall.
這就把Riot放到一個微妙的處境了，如果增加AP係數可能會讓傷害提昇係數的五倍，
舉例來說提高W的AP係數0.1的話可能會讓他多輸出0.5AP的傷害。

Ergo, due to this unstable damage output, Katarina is forced to have mediocre
single target base damage and scaling in order to justify her AOE. Subsequently
AP katarina becomes extremely weak.
因此，為了這樣不穩定的輸出，Kata對單體的基本傷害不強，而完全就是為了範圍傷
害來設計的英雄。這也讓AP Kata變得很弱。

The primary focus of AP Katarina isn't to deal as much damage as possible, it's
to kill everyone before she's killed. High risk for a high reward, just the way
I like it. Her terrible single target damage and the new bruiser meta has
increased the risk, and therefore decreased the popularity of AP Katarina.
對AP Kata來說，她的目標不是盡可能做出傷害，而是在她被殺之前把所有人殺了。
高風險高報酬，我喜歡這樣。但是他糟糕的單體傷害和新的大男Meta讓這個風險提高，
也降低了AP Kata的普及程度。

Possible Changes:
If Riot intends to change Katarina into a primarily single target damage
assassin (I have no idea what they want Katarina to be so they can keep her as
an aoe mage) they'll have to reduce her aoe damage.
可能的改變：
如果Riot希望把Kata改成一個單體傷害的刺客，那他們必須要降低她的範圍傷害。（我
不太知道Riot希望她的定位，或許他們還是希望她是一個範圍傷法師。）

1. Reduce the aoe range of W (Sinister Steel) to one similar to Akali's E
(Crescent Slash)
2. Increase the cooldown of Katarina's W.
1.降低W的範圍，可能可以跟Akali的E範圍類似
2.增加W的CD
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The real issue is Katarina's passive, she's one of the strongest snowballers
and punishes bad players too easily. I've been at both ends of the spectrum,
I've caught out an unsuspecting player, and from that was able to demolish an
entire enemy team with that mistake. Although the rest of the enemy may have
been well positioned, their single teammate's mistake cost them the whole
fight. On my end, I know exactly how to handle a Katarina, I know her
weaknesses and strengths, and am always in a good position to battle her. But
as soon as one of my teammates makes a mistake, my positioning becomes useless
and the enemy Katarina is able to kill me regardless of how prepared I was for
her.


Katarina's resets are now too easy to get at lower/mid ELO. With the shift of
damage from her Ultimate (Death Lotus) to her W (Sinister Steel), players don't
have to rely on a well timed Ultimate like old Kat in order to deal high damage
output. The range of W is large and Q (Bouncing Blades) + E (Shunpo) are both
ranged target spells.


This ease of play makes it simple to get a reset against less skilled players.
A lot of players don't really know how to peel for squishy allies, CC down high
threats, position themselves, watch the map, save spells etc. Any Katarina can
hop into a teamfight, press some buttons, get a reset, and destroy the entire
enemy team.


Similar champions with resets include: Darius, Yi, Kha-Zix, Tristana, Akali.
Each of them have their own limitations for these resets, a commonality is
their reliance on mana. Dariuis is must secure a kill with the ultimate (Noxian
Guillotine) in order to get a reset, and even then need's reasonable passive
stacks to deal a lot of damage. Master Yi's Q (Alpha Strike) will only get half
cooldown reset if he get's an assist. Kha-Zix's Leap, Akali's Shadow Dance and
Tristana's Rocket Jump are limited by the skill's damage output in return for
the mobility it provides.


Katarina's limitations to her reset is the current low base damage and low
scaling. This is completely counter intuitive, a champion that is meant to only
provide damage output shouldn't be nerfed by reducing damage output. She needs
to be made harder to play, reset's need to be harder to obtain.


Possible Changes: Making Katarina's reset a more difficult to obtain can be
made in many different ways.
可能的改變：讓Kata的重置更難達成有很多方式

1. Assists only provide half the current cooldowns
2. Set a timer so reset's can only be obtained every 5 seconds (This actually
is a very interesting concept, by doing so Katarina player's now are given the
choice to use their now refreshed shunpo to escape from a fight, or commit even
further to a fight that they can die in now that they can't rely on a reset)
3. Reset a particular set of skills (i.e. Only Shunpo and Ultimate)
1.助攻只能取得一半當前CD
2.設每五秒才能取得一次重置的限制（這是個很有趣的概念，這會讓Kata玩家必須
要決定他們的E是要用來逃走或是在他們不能依賴重置的狀況下追的更深）
3.只能重置特定技能（例如只能重置E和R）

Issue: Why Katarina is sometimes so weak and and sometimes too strong
問題：為什麼Kata有時候太弱有時候又太強？

Obviously the reason she feels strong would be her aoe damage output, the more
aoe she dishes out, the more damage she deals overall and she'll feel
incredibly strong. On the other hand if she's in a 1v1 fight she'll feel
extremely underwhelming with her mediocre single target burst.
很明顯的，他在做範圍輸出的時候很強，他放越多招就有越多輸出。另一方面來說
他的單挑很弱，因為他的單體傷害都不夠高。

The cause of this is the shifting of damage output from her Ultimate (Death
Lotus) to W (Sinister Steel).
造成這個問題的原因是因為傷害從R轉移到W。

Intuitively, a champion's ultimate is they're trump card, the skill that can
make them unique and the skill that can change a teamfight. The shift of damage
made Katarina's Ultimate nothing more than a skill made for mediocre damage
output. Every other champion who's ultimate is similarly based on damage output
has a realistically stronger ultimate. Realistically, Katarina's against smart
players will only be able to get a one second ult in, that's effectively 300
damage on a maxed out ultimate. While other champions have instantaneous 550
base damage bursts. Even if Katarina can sit there for 1.5 seconds that's still
only 450 damage. Compared to aoe damage ultimates like ezreal's Trueshot
Barrage and lux's Final Spark, they still deal more damage in an easier manner,
uninterrupted channeling with a large range.


Possible Changes: Increase reliance on Katarina's ultimate while making it more
reliable.
可能的變動：增加Kata大絕的穩定度

1. Death Lotus deals high upfront damage then decreases over time (Similar to
Mordekaiser's Children of the Grave and Nasus's Spirit Fire)
2. Return Death Lotus to it's original 3 second channel to increase damage for
players that time their skills well.
3. Death lotus deals a set amount of damage, the damage becomes spread out the
more targets there are. (Similar to Gragas's Body Slam or Ahri's FireFox <--
Who uses this anyways)
1.R造成比較高的初始傷害，然後隨著時間遞減（像Mord的R或Nasus的E）
2.把R時間改回三秒，這樣對於那些進場時機掌握的比較好的玩家可以做出更多傷害
3.R造成固定傷，但是這個傷害可能會被分散到多個目標（像是Gragas的E或Ahri的E）

Of course with any buff there needs to be a nerf, I suggest nerfing damage
output on other spells.
當然隨著有地方Buff要有其他地方Nerf，我建議可以Nerf其他技能的傷害

That should be it, I need to get back to my studies so I'll see you guys later~
大概就這樣了

TL;DR:
給原文太長懶得看的人：

Tank Kat/Tanky AP Kat are viable because Kat does a lot of AOE damage in team
fights (Just from W (Sinister Blade) if Katarina hits 5 targets she's dealing
900 damage per 4 seconds). Going tanky will allow for more W spams.
坦Kata/AP坦Kata可行的原因是因為他會戰可以造成一堆範圍傷害（只靠W命中5個目標
代表他每四秒可以造成900傷害）。出坦裝可以讓他放更多次W

AP Kat is weak because Riot can't buff base damage and scaling because that'll
increase her AOE damage too much.
AP Kata弱是因為Riot不能在提高她的傷害的基本傷害和係數了，不然她的範圍傷害會
太高

Katarina is too strong among lower level players because she's too easy to play
and snowballs too hard from her passive.
Kata在低端太強，因為她的被動可以太簡單的滾起雪球

Katarina's ultimate is too weak to call itself an ultimate since damage was
moved to W in order to give her some reliable damage.
Kata的大絕作為一個大絕來說太弱，這是因為傷害轉移到W來讓她提供更多穩定傷害。

Possible Changes:
可能的改變：

W (Sinister Blade) Nerf
1. Reduce the aoe range of W (Sinister Steel) to one similar to Akali's E
(Crescent Slash)
2. Increase the cooldown of Katarina's W.
W Nerf
1.降低範圍到和Akali的E範圍差不多
2.增加W冷卻時間

Passive Nerf
1. Assists only provide half the current cooldowns
2. Set a timer so reset's can only be obtained every 5 seconds (This actually
is a very interesting concept, by doing so Katarina player's now are given the
choice to use their now refreshed shunpo to escape from a fight, or commit even
further to a fight that they can die in now that they can't rely on a reset)
3. Reset a particular set of skills (i.e. Only Shunpo and Ultimate)
被動Nerf
1.助攻只降低一半的當前CD
2.每五秒才能觸發被動一次（玩家必須在退場和在不能重置的狀況下繼續追擊抉擇）
3.只重置特定技能（只重置E和R之類的）

Ult Buff
1. Death Lotus deals high upfront damage then decreases over time (Similar to
Mordekaiser's Children of the Grave and Nasus's Spirit Fire)
2. Return Death Lotus to it's original 3 second channel to increase damage for
players that time their skills well.
3. Death lotus deals a set amount of damage, the damage becomes spread out the
more targets there are. (Similar to Gragas's Body Slam or Ahri's FireFox <--
Who uses this anyways)
大絕Buff
1.造成高起始傷害，隨著時間遞減（類似Mord R和Nasus E）
2.改回三秒，讓比較會掌握進場時機的玩家可以造成更多傷害
3.造成固定傷害，但是會分散在複數目標之間（類似Gragas的E或Ahri的E）

Peace,
TiensiNoAkuma

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感謝:)
感謝，看錯了:P
Ahri can build tanky and still deal a lot of damage
這是現在Reddit和官方論壇上的另一串XD
原文是擺在最後面，所以我也是直接擺在最後面囉:P
感謝:)
※ 編輯: kaneggyy        來自: 42.78.69.18          (02/01 01:07)

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