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標題 Re: [問卦] 烏俄戰爭最新情報（更新至20231128）
時間 Wed Nov 29 20:58:02 2023
標題 Re: [問卦] 烏俄戰爭最新情報（更新至20231128）
時間 Wed Nov 29 20:58:02 2023
: 2.雖然F16已經已經抵達烏克蘭，但烏軍隊認為現有雷達系統探測距力達不到烏軍需求。烏克
: 蘭專家希望將雷達升級為AN/APG-83才能有效對抗俄空軍。
: AN/APG-83對空探測距離達120公里，對地探測距離達295公里，對隱身戰績也有一定探測能力
: 。其次AN/APG-83可加強F16多用途能力，可同時追蹤20個低慢小的無人機目標。
你這新聞是錯的
f16並未到達烏克蘭 而是羅馬尼亞
目前烏克蘭飛行員都還尚在訓練當中
另外其實前幾天還有個很有趣的消息
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24645
Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief
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Talks between Ukraine and Russia were marred by a lack of security guarantees, distrust of the Russian regime and the extent of brutality exposed when ...
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Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions –
Zelensky Party Chief
David Arahamiya, leader of the President's “Servant of the People” party
and head of the Ukrainian delegation during last year’s talks with Russia,
has revealed that Russia proposed ending the war in spring 2022 on the
condition that Ukraine abandon its NATO aspirations and adopt a neutral
stance.
“They really hoped almost to the last that they would put the squeeze on us
to sign such an agreement so that we would take neutrality. It was the
biggest thing for them,” Arahamiya said in an interview with Ukrainian
journalist Natalia Moseychuk.
“They were ready to end the war if we took – as Finland once did –
neutrality and made commitments that we would not join NATO. This was the key
point,” he added.
Speaking further and explaining Kyiv's refusal to accept the proposal,
Arakhamia said that it would require a constitutional change, given that
Ukraine’s Constitution states its intention to become a NATO member.
Additionally, he emphasized a lack of trust in the Russian position.
"There is no, and there was no, trust in the Russians that they would do it.
That could only be done if there were security guarantees."
Arahamiya clarified that signing such an agreement without guarantees would
have left Ukraine vulnerable to a second incursion.
“They would have come in more prepared, because they came in, in fact,
unprepared for such resistance,” Arakhamia said.
According to the lawmaker, while another round of talks was underway in
Istanbul, Boris Johnson unexpectedly came to Kyiv on April 9 and said that
Ukraine "shouldn't sign anything with them at all – and let's just fight."
大意就是
去年在土耳其談判的時候 只要烏克蘭承諾不加入北約 雙方就可進行和談
但是因為英國首相 突訪 說烏克蘭應該打下去
導致談判失敗
喔 說這段話的是人民公僕黨主席David Arahamiya
刊登在基輔郵報上
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→ : 這強生角色跟33蠻像的xdd1F 124.218.207.123 台灣 11/29 21:00
噓 : 去年秋奪回哈爾科夫，當時繼續打是對的2F 111.254.249.193 台灣 11/29 21:02
→ Anderson0819 …
推 : 當時是談判人員被暗殺，美國打錢按頭叫他們繼續打；再加上現在基輔是要求俄完全從烏東四州撤軍，所以扯這些陳年往事都沒啥卵用。
現在大暴雪的情況下烏政府都維持不了平民生活運作了，又不能和談，那還打個屁！4F 223.138.139.195 台灣 11/29 21:08
現在這消息就是人民公僕黨 自己說出來的現在大暴雪的情況下烏政府都維持不了平民生活運作了，又不能和談，那還打個屁！4F 223.138.139.195 台灣 11/29 21:08
英國首相叫他們打下去
※ 編輯: A6 (61.227.162.72 臺灣), 11/29/2023 21:32:57
推 : 好坑啊 既不是北約國 還讓他們賣命11F 223.138.255.179 台灣 11/29 21:19
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ㄟㄟ 問題你是把兩個消息 組合在一個成為一個奇怪的消息
而且你有不說是兩個不同的消息 然後組合再一起 變成很奇怪假消息
說F16到烏克蘭 消息是俄羅斯的 說雷達問題的是另一邊的
你引用的是這篇
https://www.jfdaily.com/staticsg/res/html/web/newsDetail.html?id=675799
他根據的是這篇
https://www.mk.ru/amp/politics/2023/11/02/ukraine-na-gruzovikakh-privezli-sreds
根本就沒提到雷達
然後到你這邊就變成 F16到烏克蘭但烏克蘭專家希望改進雷達 ???
別鬧了 我很好其你到底有沒有去查過引用消息的原始來源
噓 : 無法和談成功是因為 普丁堅持打下去15F 1.163.175.114 台灣 11/29 21:32
※ 編輯: A6 (61.227.162.72 臺灣), 11/29/2023 21:36:49→ Anderson0819 …
推 : 赫羅莫夫消息有更新了19F 140.112.217.221 台灣 11/29 21:48
推 : 應該是原po被眾多不同來源的消息搞混了，所以才會被鄉民指正20F 114.46.234.58 台灣 11/29 21:53
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