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禁止各報章雜誌新聞記者及網站轉錄截錄抄襲

給不想看全文的，幫你們截取有提到柯文哲或台灣的部分
不代表本人立場

https://imgur.com/a/QSD3wUk
先提到柯文哲「涉及」去中國發展ECMO
https://imgur.com/a/GSDNtRv
這段葛特曼表示即使有疑慮，依然將柯文哲列為嫌疑犯
https://imgur.com/a/0yAYamY
柯文哲是為了推廣機器，中國人參加研討會是為了賺錢
https://imgur.com/a/9AZUOLC
不論一開始立意是否良善，中國拿ECMO來亂搞
所以柯文哲參加了「地獄研討會」
https://imgur.com/a/QbtXFko
「台灣」是共犯結構，可以決定未來
葛特曼表示他也被許多人攻擊
https://imgur.com/a/2eeC6Ko
所以台北市民，請幫中共出聲，向全世界展現你們的勇氣

我先說結論
葛特曼本人看起來也知道柯文哲是去幫美力敦推廣ECMO
但研討會中有幾個醫生拿ECMO亂搞，所以柯文哲是共犯嫌疑
而葛特曼認為ECMO會在中國被用做活摘器官牟取暴利
因此看來不太同意中國人擁有使用ECMO的機會

以下聽證會全文

Westminster
3rd Round Table Briefing on Organ Harvesting in China
Ethan Gutmann
16 October, 2018
英國西敏寺大教堂
中國強摘器官的第三次發佈會
伊森‧葛特曼
2018 年 10 月 16 日
Thank you.
I’ll be speaking about Taiwan today, but I want to begin with four stubborn
facts.
謝謝，我今天會講到台灣，但我想先提到四點不可否認的事實
1) Our report, Bloody Harvest/The Slaughter: an Update, released in 2016,
showed that China is not performing 10,000 or 15,000 transplants per year as
Beijing claims, but 60,000 to 100,000 transplants a year. Huang Jiefu, China’
s spokesman on the organ harvesting issue recently embraced that volume. He
says that China will be doing 50,000 transplants in a few years. Where will
the organs come from?

2) Over the last year, Beijing has blood-tested approximately 15 million
Uyghurs – every man, woman and child in Xinjiang.
在過去一年中，北京政府從超過 1,500 萬維吾爾族人身上抽取了血液樣本，包含新疆的
每個男人、女人、小孩
3) As I speak, over one million Uyghurs are in “Re-education Camps.”
在當下，超過一百萬維吾爾族人被關在所謂「再教育營」中
4) And the CCP are building 9 crematoriums in Xinjiang. The first one in
Urumqi
has just opened. It has 50 security guards.
中共還在新疆建立 9 個火葬場，第一個剛剛在烏魯木齊開始營運，光是那一個就駐紮了
50 名保安人員
We cannot - I cannot - stop Beijing, any more than a monk on the West coast
of Ireland could stop the Vikings from pillaging European civilization. My
job is to compile an accurate history. So, I am going to examine one factor -
one among many - that I believe contributed to the current situation.

It’s a medical technology known as ECMO. Extracorporeal membrane
oxygenation. And a man named Dr. Ko Wen-je, third from the right in this
photograph of an ECMO conference at Wuxi Hospital in 2008. Dr. Ko is
currently mayor of Taipei. Dr. Ko’s involvement in ECMO goes back to at
least 2000.

In 2008, Dr. Ko told me in an interview that he knew first-hand about Falun
Gong organ harvesting in at least one hospital in China back in 2005 – and
that account of the interview, which was agreed on by both parties in
writing, is now in my book, The Slaughter.

That account will never change. But my view of Dr. Ko? That has changed.
書裡的內容永遠不會改變，但我對柯文哲的觀感已經徹底改變了。
As I discovered shortly before I went to Taiwan to promote the Mandarin
publication of my book, Dr. Ko was at this conference only three months
before our interview　in 2008. I cannot un-see the picture. And I cannot
un-see the schedule for the conference that Ko participated in.

Many Taiwanese researchers are far more equipped to investigate this
conference than I am. And in fact, my own findings on this conference has
already been surpassed by Falun Gong researchers. But if I use sources I
trust - the 2016 Update with Kilgour and Matas, which I co-wrote, and
documents from the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun
Gong, which I co-edited – I can say a few words about the hospitals and
individuals on this schedule.

Every individual and hospital that is suspected to have been involved in the
organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners is highlighted in red.
Although there are ambiguities about Dr. Ko’s activities in China, for
simplicity, I have also highlighted Ko Wen-je’s name in red. Ko was the only
non-mainlander to give a presentation. He presents at the 12:00 session.

This schedule is a sea of red. I’ll just go down the list in order, starting
with theconference venue:
可以看出，在這場研討會演講的許多人都有活摘器官嫌疑
‧ Wuxi People’s Hospital was closely examined in our 2016 update because it
is exclusively approved for lung transplants - and yet we know it also
carries out eight other types - kidney, liver, heart, pancreas, cornea, stem
cell, bone marrow, and vascular grafts. Because Wuxi claims to have completed
more than half of all lung transplant surgeries in China, we suspect that
some of those lungs are from Falun Gong.

‧ Chen Zhonghua participated in multi-organ extractions from 65 “donors”
from January 2000 to August 2006. When Chen ran the Wuhan Tongji hospital
institute of organ transplantation in 2006, the hospital was asked if it
could perform live organ transplantation from Falun Gong prisoners. The
Kidney Transplant department replied: “Sure, it’s no problem…When you are
ready, you can come over directly and we will discuss it in detail.”
‧ 陳忠華從 2000 年 1 月到 2006 年 8 月對 65 個「器官捐贈者」進行了多個器官同
時移除的手術。在 2006 年，陳忠華還是武漢同濟醫院器官移植研究所的所長的時
候，海外的調查人員打電話向醫院詢問他們是否可以取得法輪功學員器官的移植時，
該醫院的腎臟移植部門回覆「沒問題啊，當你準備好時，到我們醫院來跟我們進一
步討論」
‧ Liu Deruo: Department of Surgery in the China-Japan Friendship Hospital. 7
cases of single lung transplantation from brain-dead "donors” – a euphemism
for live organ harvesting - before 2008. The hospital is a common destination
for wealthy Japanese “organ tourists.”

‧ Chen Jingyu, the “No.1 Lung Transplant Surgeon in China.” Extracted
lungs from 129 "donors" from 2002 to 2011. By 2014, Chen was doing up to five
lung transplants per day. Taught perfusion preservation to 30 hospitals in 10
cities and provinces. If I am not mistaken, that’s Dr. Ko on the left, and
Dr. Chen on the right.
‧ 接下來是陳靜瑜，號稱「中國肺移植手術第一人」，2002 年到 2011 年間從「捐贈者
」身上取出了 129 個肺臟。到 2014 年為止，陳靜瑜每天平均做五個肺移植手術，他向
10 個城市和省分的 30 間醫院教導灌注保鼎x的專業技術。陳靜瑜應該
就是照片右邊那位，而柯文哲就在左邊。
‧ Fuwai Hospital, number 1 in heart transplants. Song Yunhu is the chief
surgeon.
‧ 北京阜外醫院，這個醫院進行中國最多的心臟移植，宋雲虎是主任醫師
‧ Shanghai Chest Hospital, Gao Chengxin. The most bilateral lung transplants
in China to date. Dr. Han Baohui, director of pulmonary medicine at Shanghai
Chest Hospital, reported classmate Zhao Bin to the police for practicing
Falun Gong. Mr. Zhao was arrested in April 2012 and was tortured to death at
a Shanghai facility on October 19, 2013.

‧ Chen Liangwen, VP of Fujian Medical University Union Hospital, extracted
hearts from 111 brain-dead "donors” - average age about 25 years, no
cardiovascular diseases. Warm ischemia time of 0-15 minutes, suggesting
pre-scheduled live organ harvesting.

‧ Wang Chunsheng. Director of Cardiac Surgery, Zhongshan Hospital in
Shanghai, Shanghai’s premier organ transplant center. From 2000 to 2011,
Wang extracted hearts from 298 "donors”: average age 27 years; no
cardiovascular problems. Since 2007, 238 live hearts have been extracted at
Zhongshan.

‧ Here is a recorded phone call to Zhongshan from 2006:
Investigator: … So how long do I have to wait [for organ transplant surgery]?
Doctor: About a week after you come…
Investigator: Is there the kind of organs that come from Falun Gong? I heard
that
they are very good.
Doctor: All of ours are those types.Here’s a quote from Tan Yunshan,
director of Zhongshan Hospital’s liver disease department in 2015. “All the
donor livers are directly extracted at the source. Because we do the
extraction ourselves and have access to the original information of the donor
organ, we would know for sure whether a donor liver can be used or not…We don
’t care whether it’s from a Falun Gong practitioner or not. We don’t get
involved in politics. As doctors, we only care about the donor liver, about
whether it meets the requirements of transplantation. If it meets the
requirements, we don’t care who it’s from.”
‧ 下面是對中山醫院肝調查的電話錄音:
調查員：要等多久呀？
醫生：來了一個禮拜左右就可以做了。
調查員：有沒有這種煉法輪功的這種提供的，這種提供的說是很好……

‧ Meng Xu, founder of the Beijing Heart Transplant Centre. From 1992 to
2006, Meng participated in the extraction of hearts from 51 “donors”:
males; age range 21-43 years. No cardiovascular diseases. Warm ischemia time,
3-8 minutes. Meng has independently completed nearly 10,000 surgeries, with
over 800 operations every year.
‧ 這是孟旭，北京心臟移植中心的創始人，從 1992 年到 2006 年他參與了摘除 51個「
器官捐贈者」的心臟，都是男性，年齡 21-43 歲，沒有心臟疾病歷史，熱缺血時間為
3-8 分鐘。孟旭獨自完成了將近 10,000 次手術，每年都有超過 800 次。
I am going to skip ahead because we are short on time.
因為時間緣故，我在這裡要跳過一些內容。
‧ Last entry; Tianjin Central Hospital. Estimated to do 5000 transplants
annually, essentially half of the entire transplant volume of China,
according to Chinese official numbers, for over a decade. Over half of its
patients are said to be foreign organ tourists.
‧ 最後一個是天津市第一中心醫院，估計每年有 5000 件器官移植，十幾年來幾乎占據
官方統計全國移植數量的一半。過半數在這裡接受器官移植的是外國人。
So what was this conference about? Well, as the conference subtitle suggests:
Medtronic ECMO. Medtronic is an American company based in Minnesota. And, Dr.
Ko sells Medtronic ECMO machines and expertise on the Mainland.
這個研討會的重點是什麼？為什麼這些人會來參加呢？當然是為了葉克膜而來。柯文哲是
為了推銷美敦力的葉克膜機器而到中國大陸。
ECMO can be used during harvesting, but the bottom line is that it prolongs
the opportunity to use a lung or a heart up to eight hours. As Dr. Ko has
pointed out, ECMO saves lives.
葉克膜可以用來作為活摘器官的工具，它可以將肺臟或心臟的壽命延長最長達 8 小時，
如同柯所說的，葉克膜可以拯救生命
Indeed, it does. In Taiwan, in America, in Great Britain, in Japan,
Australia. But in China, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of religious and
political prisoners, do you think the majority of people at this
的確，葉克膜在台灣、美國、英國、日本、澳洲都發揮了拯救生命的角色，但在中國，因
為有著幾乎無數的宗教和政治良心犯，把葉克膜帶進中國的結果是截然不同的
ECMO conference were interested in saving lives? I think they were interested
in making money. From the perspective of that conference, Dr. Ko was valuable
– until 2008 at least - to the Mainland organ transplant industry in three
ways:

1) As a conduit to “organ tourists” from Taiwan
扮演一個中間人的角色，讓台灣較為有錢的「器官旅客」前往中國
2) As a salesman of Medtronic ECMO equipment to the Mainland
扮演一個推銷員的角色，推銷美敦力的葉克膜器材到中國大陸
3) As a teacher of ECMO techniques.
扮演一個教師的角色，教導中國如何使用葉克膜技術
ECMO means that if you are harvesting a Falun Gong, or a Uyghur, or a
Tibetan, you can make a lot more money from harvesting a single person. Here
are the prices. And here is a picture of five Falun Gong refugees.

All of the women in this picture were in labor camp. All were tortured. One
was sexually abused. And the woman on the left, Jing Tian, was examined for
her organs. Before ECMO, if she was harvested while still alive, and tissue
matched to foreign organ tourists who were present at the same hospital, she
was worth $200,000 USD, maybe $250,000 USD, if we throw in the corneas. Let’
s split the difference and call it $225,000 USD.

美元好了。
After ECMO? Jing Tian was worth $680,000 USD. And I think everyone at that
ECMO conference in 2008 understood this calculation.
如果利用葉克膜呢？京田身上的器官價值會增加到$680,000 美元，大概增加了兩倍。我
認為參加那個 2008 年葉克膜研討會的人，都非常清楚這個數字代表什麼。
In short, no matter what the original intentions were, bringing ECMO to China
created a perverse incentive to kill Falun Gong, Uyghurs, House Christians
and Tibetans. We don’t know how many. We don’t know exactly how much Dr. Ko
contributed to ECMO in China. Yet I have no doubt that ECMO accelerated the
killing of innocent people. And I have no doubt that ECMO is a contributing
factor to the spectacular growth of the transplant industry in China - and
the spectacular human rights crisis that we see in Xinjiang today.

But is all this fair to Taiwan? Dr. Ko is the respected mayor of Taipei. He’
s running for reelection. So, does Taiwan really have to deal with questions
about what Dr. Ko was doing at the conference-from-hell a decade ago? In
conclusion then, I want to explain why I think it is my responsibility as a
writer, and as a co-founder of the International Coalition to End Transplant
Abuse in China - or ETAC for short – to ask these questions.

One of the clearest voices in ETAC - a voice of constant wisdom, calm, and
clarity - is that of David Matas. So, when some transplant patients warned us
that our work was being used by anti-vax conspiracy theorists, I proposed
that ETAC begin promoting voluntary organ donation. Matas stopped me short
with a single phrase: “avoid mission creep.” And he was right; groups
dilute their strength by adopting other agendas. And ETAC’s primary mission
is to save lives in China.

And yet: David Matas recently compared organ harvesting of political and
religious prisoners in China to a virus, a virus which does not end at China’
s borders, but has begun to infect pockets of the global medical community.
大衛· 麥塔斯還將中國對於政治犯和宗教良心犯的器官活摘比喻為一種「病毒」，也就是
說這種「病毒」並不會影響中國國內，而是會散布到全球各地的醫界。
Think of the Vatican conferences on human trafficking, where China’s organ
transplant apparatus was presented as an example for the world to follow.
想想看梵諦岡舉辦的有關非法人口走私的論壇，中國的器官移植官員不但前往與會，還被
論壇當作是全世界器官移植的典範
Think of The Transplantation Society’s high-profile visits to China, where
members of their entourage referred to Falun Gong as an “evil cult” - to
the delight of the Mainland Chinese Press.
可以想想看國際器官移植協會如何頻繁的高調造訪中國，他們的成員還將法輪功描述為「
邪教」，這說法讓中共官方媒體大為吹捧
Think of Huang Jiefu’s promise to bring Chinese transplant methods,
including the transport of human organs, as a sort of perk to participants in
China’s Belt and Road initiative.
可以想想看黃潔夫如何誇耀中國的器官移植系統，將它當成是獎勵支持中國一帶一路國家
的禮物
So, if ETAC has another mission – a mission which clearly separates us from
the sort of activism that can be reduced to a T-shirt slogan such as “Save
the whales” or “Free Tibet”- it is this: history matters.
所以如果全球制止中國器官強摘聯盟有另一個任務，而不會淪於膚淺的像是常看到在
T-shirt 上「拯救鯨魚」或「拯救西藏」的口號，那就是「歷史是重要的」
Mass murder - or “Cold Genocide” if you prefer - permanently alters the DNA
of a society, not only in the victim populations, where the trauma ripples
through generation after generation, but in the perpetrator class as well,
where mass murder becomes an accepted method, an option, a tactic, to solve a
problem or cover up an inconvenient crime. And I submit that describes
Chinese organ harvesting accurately over the last two decades. And that
history must be exposed. And we have no choice but to call out anyone who
actively seeks to suppress that history.

Just two weeks ago, I watched as Taiwan’s Ministry of Health showed a
surprising new transparency regarding the number of Taiwanese organ tourists
who went to the Mainland - and resolved to enforce penalties on those who
continue to flaunt Taiwan’s regulations. And I sat down in Taipei with some
of the most impressive research professionals in the world.

And what is the focus of their investigations? It can be summarized in a
single world: Complicity. It may be a minority at present, but many in Taiwan
want to end medical complicity with the Mainland and they have opened
multiple investigative lines. ECMO is only one piece of the puzzle. Several
individuals – I won’t name them here - from several Taiwanese medical
entities, possibly with different political affiliations - will likely be
exposed.
他們調查的重點是什麼？我們可以用一個蚆`結，那就受「共犯結構」，現在在台灣關

This is the darkness that lies ahead. This is the unspoken fear that haunts
Taiwanese society.
這是我們要面對的黑暗，這也是台灣社會當前面對的揭露黑暗前必然的恐懼。
Now, it is much easier to attack me - or my 15-year-old son’s Instagram page
for that matter - than to face that fear. Or to threaten Falun Gong
practitioners. Or my publisher. Or to dismiss the whole thing as a political
stunt. Or to simply say that there is “no evidence.”

Human Rights Organizations around the world quietly said just that for many
years, until there was a tipping point. Our reports were, to paraphrase the
US Congress, simply too “persistent and credible” to be ignored. Hearings
were held. The press reported. And professionals from around the world laid
their reputations on the line by joining Doctors Against Forced Organ
Harvesting and ETAC. It became simply too embarrassing for Human Rights NGOs
to deny the harvesting issue. Yet they did not shout “bloody murder” from
the rooftops. Neither did any China-based reporter who treasures their
Beijing access. Because their own actions during the years of denial was a
form of “soft complicity.”

So yes, Taiwan is hardly alone in complicity. And that complicity is why
Beijing has been able to carry out a vast crime against humanity in plain
sight of the world, with relatively little consequence. And the lethargic
Western response has terrible implications for our collective future.

And that is why the eyes of the world are on Taiwan today. Because Western,
Japanese and South Korean medical entities - whether they have hard or soft
complicity in Chinese organ harvesting - are watching. Medtronic, The
Transplantation Society, and the Vatican are watching. The US Congress and
Westminster are watching. How strange for such a small country to have such
influence, such power. But, just this once, Taiwan has the whip hand.

As someone who has taken a few punches - and as someone who has pushed back a
little too - I respect Taiwan’s free press and democracy. Politics may be a
contact sport, and the news cycle may come down to 6 hours rather than 24,
but the energy? It is irresistible. I suspect that Taiwan will find the truth
of these matters – and I will advocate for Taiwan as the forward base of
ETAC investigative activities going forward.
我本人因為此事受到許多攻擊，我也毫無懼怕地反擊回去，但我尊重台灣的自由媒體環境
和民主。政治就像是肢體格鬥一樣，媒體的新聞熱度可能只是以 6 小時為單位而不是

While I was in Taiwan, the news came that Beijing, finally feeling the global
heat for incarcerating a million Uyghurs in camps, has moved 300,000 Uyghurs
to undisclosed locations. Those locations may – or may not – be near organ
harvesting facilities and hospitals. That’s speculation. It’s too early to
say. But we are through the looking glass here - and it is theoretically
possible that how Taiwan reacts might even influence how many Uyghur men,
women, and even children will live or die.

So if Taiwan is listening? Show us the way, Taipei. This is your time to
stand up for China’s victims, to speak up for those who have no voice. Show
us that Taiwan will follow the truth, wherever it may lead.



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