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作者 djviva (安身守份待時以動)
標題 Re: [討論]馬刺當年怎麼不選Jokic?
時間 Thu Sep 17 08:21:12 2020


https://www.nbadraft.net/players/nikola-jokic/
Nikola Jokic - NBADraft.net
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這是當年他的選秀報告
https://imgur.com/bs1U8E8
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除了Size拿到9分, 投射能力8分之外, 其他的都是7分
速度跟運動能力還只給了他6分

NBA Comparison: Nikola Vucivic

模板是Vucivic

Strengths: Very high basketball IQ, This is his greatest strength. Strong
personality. A team player. Has a great work ethic … Tremendous length …
 Can really shoot the ball … Hard worker … He was first introduced to real
professional training – strength and conditioning as well as basketball
workouts in September of 2013 and has shown tremendous improvement in his
body … Possesses a big wingpan … Considering the fact that he competes in
the Adriatic league, where most players are older than he is, and also that he
’s an average athlete, he uses his basketball IQ to succeedNikola
understands the game really well. Furthermore he is able to follow and
execute coach’s instructions. Shows a winning attitude, competes hard in
games and practices … A self starter, doesn’t need to constantly be pushed
to get the most of his abilties … Well liked by teammates, outgoing, strong
character, doesn’t drink or smoke … Young player, born in February of 1995


強項: 極高的籃球智商, 但球探覺得他之前的成功是因為所處的Adriatic聯盟多數球員
都年紀比較大, 他只是跟average player, 是靠著他的球商獲得成功的. 同時球探也表
示, Jokic能理解並執行教練的戰術指令, 有想贏的心態, 無論是練習還是比賽他都很拼

Weaknesses: An average athlete lacking great speed and leaping ability …

 Foot speed is a big liability. He may struggle to stay in front of NBA
athletes at the center position … Needs to improve as a post player, gain
strength and develop a repertoire of back to the basket moves … Defense is a
real weakness at this point due to lack of lateral speed and lack of
strength. His length is a big plus, but he’ll need to continue to work on
becoming stronger and learn to anticipate in order to overcome his lack of
quickness … Despite being a younger guy, his upside appears limited by his
lack of explosiveness and foot speed …

弱項: 看起來好像是對肥宅的刻板印象, 慢 & 對抗性不足

Notes: Impressed at the 2014 Nike Hoop Summit with his outside shooting …

備註: 2014 Nike盃他的外圍投射著實令人驚艷



基本上覺得球探報告寫的也沒錯啦
只是太低估了球商對整體的影響
他還是慢, 但他屢次換防時非常努力的跟著跑動
防守端就算拼不上頂極也能算中等
另一方面, 高球商也讓他在補防協防時產生一定程度的加分
很少看到他漏人

進攻方面, 高球商的展現, 讓他成為能在禁區分球四方助攻的可怕傳導中樞
令人驚艷的外圍投射則演變出可以砍三分的大砲塔
或許這就是報告裡提到的, 他不管練習還是比賽都很努力的結果

順帶一提同年選秀Top 4的報告分析圖 (依照順序)
Andrew Wiggins: 模板 Vince Carter/Rudy Gay
https://imgur.com/YjqMQXP
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Jabari Parker: 模版 Melo
https://imgur.com/v1mtxOF
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Joel Embiid 模板 TD / 大夢
https://imgur.com/MBMJSjD
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Aaron Gordon 模板 Faried
https://imgur.com/QeBY5XO
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purestone   : 球商是什麼?能吃嗎? 一堆人好像較重視臂展 XDD1F 09/17 08:24
eeqqww112233: 回一樓 想想白邊2F 09/17 08:26
Arigatosam  : 肥宅之光3F 09/17 08:28
boy1031     : 有沒有模板是喬丹或LBJ的大物要選秀啊4F 09/17 08:29

模板是Michael Jordan的只找到一位 DeShawn Stevenson
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson/
DeShawn Stevenson - NBADraft.net
Specializing in drafts with top players on the NBA horizon, player profiles, scouting reports, rankings and prospective international recruits. ...

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stevede01.html
DeShawn Stevenson Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
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DeShawn Stevenson - Career stats, game logs, biographical info, awards, and achievements for the NBA. ...

 
看了數據後, 搞不好現在的MJ打的都比他當年好.....

josephhou   : 主要還是球商很難量化,否則歷年來球商看似不錯但是5F 09/17 08:29
josephhou   : 身體完全跟不上導致消失在聯盟的新秀還少嗎。
chinpo      : 阿肥加油7F 09/17 08:29
KAPPAK184   : 球商太抽象 你說很高誰知道有多高?8F 09/17 08:30
john0421    : 數據應該要分體型胖跟不胖9F 09/17 08:31
BoYuYou     : 球商很難判斷 但Jokic的傳球視野跟技巧確實厲害10F 09/17 08:33
hbkhhhdx2006: 沒想到Faried也可以當模板11F 09/17 08:34
nayeonmywife: Jeremy Lin也可以當模板阿12F 09/17 08:38
h760108     : 吃百二真的可惜有那雙膝蓋...13F 09/17 08:39
kingcraft011: AG模板太低了吧14F 09/17 08:43
icoann      : 模板是Faried跟模板是書豪哪個比較慘15F 09/17 08:43
vul81320    : 希望他可以打爆湖人16F 09/17 08:45

https://imgur.com/9DkHyjv
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林書豪當年的球探報告, 最自豪的傳球居然只有6.......
模板: NBA Comparison: Zabian Dowdell
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dowdeza01.html
Zabian Dowdell Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
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Zabian Dowdell - Career stats, game logs, biographical info, awards, and achievements for the NBA, G-League, NCAA, and International leagues. ...

 
這模板在nba只打過一季, 場均12.2分鐘, 5分2.1助0.8籃板
林書豪贏了

icoann      : lin最自豪的是傳球?你假林迷吧  明明就是size17F 09/17 08:49
running711  : 猶他爵士選一個模板是MJ的來18F 09/17 08:49
lesbian5566T: 結果:態度決定高度19F 09/17 08:50
s505015     : 林86感覺不差啊 怎落選啊20F 09/17 08:51
utcn92      : Lin的技能組最重要的是第一步加速,速度沒了整組廢21F 09/17 08:52
utcn92      : 掉,連擋拆都打不好,只能靠中距離和賴犯規掙扎求
utcn92      : 生
hbkhhhdx2006: lin最有優勢的應該是啟動速度吧24F 09/17 08:52
ooplus      : 他的防守接下來碰到湖人禁區可以驗證一下 畢竟湖人25F 09/17 08:54
ooplus      : 禁區類型都有
dai26       : 為什麼你的圖沒看到模板人物的名字?27F 09/17 08:55
comparison寫在文章下面, 截圖貼不進來
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jeremy-lin/
Jeremy Lin - NBADraft.net
Specializing in drafts with top players on the NBA horizon, player profiles, scouting reports, rankings and prospective international recruits. ...

 

xerophil    : 這種球員就真的很難選,不同聯盟的球商太難評價28F 09/17 08:57
Anyotw      : 白邊是情商吧....29F 09/17 09:00
※ 編輯: djviva (60.250.135.23 臺灣), 09/17/2020 09:11:18
TT          : 讓我想到當年沙波尼斯如果年輕就來NBA可能是這模樣30F 09/17 09:12
ApAzusa126  : 球商至少能後天養成,身高臂展多少就是多少31F 09/17 09:14
Mits5190    : 鉛筆今年我看差TD不只一兩條街的距離32F 09/17 09:15
hydeless    : 老沙運動能力比阿肥好太多了,他是可以跟上將放對奔33F 09/17 09:16
hydeless    : 跑的角色
djviva      : 白邊的Rreport完全沒提到球商喔, fyi35F 09/17 09:16
bravo189226 : 小丑剛開始金塊迷還不是場場嘴,叫教練換他下去36F 09/17 09:23
sunnyyoung  : 球探不重視心理層面的毛病何時能改掉37F 09/17 09:25
dylan7910   : Jokic有幾波傳球真的有TD的影子38F 09/17 09:26
sunnyyoung  : 年輕的沙波尼斯是超巨大飛人 不一定會以傳導為主39F 09/17 09:26
bnn         : 球商要看對手層級 對手太弱你打人家打成智障也沒用40F 09/17 09:30
kkjjkkjj    : 球探報告不重視心理素質跟球商啊41F 09/17 09:31
bnn         : 然後一群中學生的心理素質 向來都是贏過來長大的42F 09/17 09:31
kkjjkkjj    : lin就強在第一步,其他完全不行43F 09/17 09:31
bnn         : 你實在很難要求或預期成長到什麼程度44F 09/17 09:31
kkjjkkjj    : 圍巾跟gay應該是差異不大45F 09/17 09:33
YMOLE       : 就是因爲有球商這因素,選秀才難又好玩啊46F 09/17 09:34
cado0824    : 所以阿肥只有一個阿47F 09/17 09:35
awcoke      : 球商好就是保底難養壞,有體能球商低的相對風險高。48F 09/17 09:40

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